Coronavirus:

[Rufus T. Firefly]

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Nothing of the kind and not anywhere close to whatever the liberal tag means other than anything that is disagreed with, and also not what was stated either - of course that's an example of the conservative view - point and cry liberal and then deny reality at all costs. Was not aware that Sen. Kennedy was a republican liberal....

I am relating to Nancy Pelosi and her point of view on Coronavirus and Trump.

Well, you missed some serious grilling yesterday by Kennedy. A level of ignorance that really calls into the safety of our country. Trump barely was coherent yesterday but did make one very good statement - get your flu shot! Where was he 5 months ago!

[MurphOnMillerAve]

... Where was he 5 months ago!

Looking in the mirror, pronouncing every excellent.
Fixing his hair-do, tooo ?

[HONDO74]

... Where was he 5 months ago!

Looking in the mirror, pronouncing every excellent.
Fixing his hair-do, tooo ?

You appear to have a fixation with the man's hair.

[HONDO74]

Coronavirus in Europe: epidemic or 'infodemic'?
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-51658511

France must prepare for a coronavirus epidemic, President Emmanuel Macron says, but Italy - the worst-affected country in Europe - says misleading news is creating an "infodemic".

Mr Macron is due to discuss the crisis with Italian Prime Minister Giuseppe Conte in Naples.

In Italy 528 people are infected and 14 have died, officials say, amid global efforts to stop the virus spreading.

Germany is also facing an epidemic, Health Minister Jens Spahn has said.

Kind of like shutting the barn door after all the animals have gone.

[Rufus T. Firefly]

Italy numbers are troubling - 3% mortality and just a little while ago there were zero cases there.

Have not heard numbers in France and nothing from Germany.

Country that has been very quiet is Russia......

[HONDO74]

Italy numbers are troubling - 3% mortality and just a little while ago there were zero cases there.

Have not heard numbers in France and nothing from Germany.

Country that has been very quiet is Russia......

Europe has open borders so it will spread like wildfire. Russia has closed their border to China. Pakistan closed it's border to Iran.

The BBC seems to be more on top of what is going on in the world.

[Rufus T. Firefly]

Italy numbers are troubling - 3% mortality and just a little while ago there were zero cases there.

Have not heard numbers in France and nothing from Germany.

Country that has been very quiet is Russia......

Europe has open borders so it will spread like wildfire.

Yes & no - they can close them if they want to.....but it's really more about everyone just staying put at home.

Russia has closed their border to China.

But what about to the rest of the world? Number of cases there are??

Pakistan closed it's border to Iran.

The BBC seems to be more on top of what is going on in the world.

BBC has been good, but a bit spotty. All of the business news networks have been way ahead of the rest - CNBC has been doing a nightly show on this for over a week - some of the best coverage that I've seen - totally surprised me.....

[HONDO74]

The New York Times criticized the White House response to the coronavirus outbreak by declaring that the ailment should be referred to as "Trumpvirus."

The piece by columnist Gail Collins was headlined, “Let's Call It Trumpvirus,” and declared that “if you’re feeling awful, you know who to blame.”

The New York Times is blaming coronavirus on Trump now ...

[Rufus T. Firefly]

The New York Times criticized the White House response to the coronavirus outbreak by declaring that the ailment should be referred to as "Trumpvirus."

The piece by columnist Gail Collins was headlined, “Let's Call It Trumpvirus,” and declared that “if you’re feeling awful, you know who to blame.”

The New York Times is blaming coronavirus on Trump now ...

Everybody's looking for someone else to blame.

These are the times we live in now - no one accepts responsibility for anything and everything is someone else's fault.

[healey36]

Trump has set up his boy Pence as his pigeon...when this goes to hell, Trump’ll be climbing all over the guy from Indiana.

[Rufus T. Firefly]

Trump has set up his boy Pence as his pigeon...when this goes to hell, Trump’ll be climbing all over the guy from Indiana.

Yup! And, 1st move has been to block off all of the scientists that actually know anything.

[HONDO74]

Trump has set up his boy Pence as his pigeon...when this goes to hell, Trump’ll be climbing all over the guy from Indiana.

Yup! And, 1st move has been to block off all of the scientists that actually know anything.

And what exactly are the scientists that actually know something going to do, What has the CDC with 15000 employees and a budget of $11.9 billion that has not been cut been doing. Do these people have some kind of a magic wand.

AP Fact Check....
But according to the AP, Trump's proposed budget cuts never went into effect. Funding to fight the latest outbreak also came from a congressional fund created for health emergencies.

Some public health experts say a bigger concern than White House budgets is the steady erosion of a CDC grant program for state and local public health emergency preparedness — the front lines in detecting and battling new disease. But that decline was set in motion by a congressional budget measure that predates Trump.

[Rufus T. Firefly]

Trump has set up his boy Pence as his pigeon...when this goes to hell, Trump’ll be climbing all over the guy from Indiana.

Yup! And, 1st move has been to block off all of the scientists that actually know anything.

And what exactly are the scientists that actually know something going to do, What has the CDC with 15000 employees and a budget of $11.9 billion that has not been cut been doing. Do these people have some kind of a magic wand.

No magic wand. Haw many people does it take to provide healthcare surveillance during a epidemic? What does that cost? A lot fo that money is spent on extremural funding anyhow.

Anyway this it really just about educating people with real facts instead of philistine pig ignorance and nonsense. Phase 1 vaccine trial will be next month. That's very, very fast. Gilead is already doing trials with existing anti-virals that were probably showing good action from high throughput screening. Contrary to statement from the WH we will not have a vaccine until next year; the flue mortality rate is really only ~.% while covad-19 appears to be 2-3%, and wiping your nose while on stage on camera is really amazing dumb. It's also not going away when warm weather shows up - it's nearly summer in Singapore and they are having new cases. Reality is that it will take ~18 months to have that vaccine if everything goes w/o any glitches. They might get lucky and not encounter any serious glitches. Or, they might encounter a tox issue or low response activity issue and have to start over. So, Fauci tells the truth and gets muzzled. Having Pence who has a terrible record on healthcare orchestrate a prayer meeting is not going to work.

AP Fact Check....
But according to the AP, Trump's proposed budget cuts never went into effect. Funding to fight the latest outbreak also came from a congressional fund created for health emergencies.

Yes, Congress actually got in the way of those cuts; they actually do have some understanding that the cost/return ration for funding NIH/CDC is a real bargain.

Some public health experts say a bigger concern than White House budgets is the steady erosion of a CDC grant program for state and local public health emergency preparedness — the front lines in detecting and battling new disease. But that decline was set in motion by a congressional budget measure that predates Trump.

May predate him but it should have been reversed by him. Response here has been way too slow, too little and too late, and instead the focus has been on protecting the stock market and economy. Painfully clear that lost all credibility. If someone with actual real knowledge and competency had been put in charge, just about everything would have turned around. Made the exact wrong move.

[HONDO74]

Rufus, this is in your area of expertise. How accurate is the article. ? You indicated how long it would take.

As I recall it took a long time for the Ebola vaccine

Coronavirus: Where are we with a vaccine?
https://www.bbc.com/news/health-51665497

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If one is found, how quickly could it be made available?

Realistically it is going to be mid-way through next year at best.

[Rufus T. Firefly]

Rufus, this is in your area of expertise. How accurate is the article. ? You indicated how long it would take.

As I recall it took a long time for the Ebola vaccine

Time is relative - need drives things -- numbers and transmittal of Ebola were never hugely threatening in comparison. 1st vaccine for that was approved just last year; just not a pressing need in numbers. Have to also factor in business return on investment and numbers....

Coronavirus: Where are we with a vaccine?
https://www.bbc.com/news/health-51665497

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If one is found, how quickly could it be made available?

Realistically it is going to be mid-way through next year at best.

Keep hold of that "at best".

Phase 1 is safety - supposed to start next month; 6 months minimum thereafter. 20-60 volunteer; want to be a normal volunteer for that?
Phase 2 is efficacy - does it really work and how well. Could be another 6 months or more. If it fails to deliver; start over. Could be a 100 to ??? volunteers
Phase 3 is multi-center with big numbers done in areas where the disease is known to be to test if it works usually with controls, etc. - another 6 months at least; should be longer, but for a vaccine in time of need, really short-cutting everything.
18 months is if everything works perfectly and nothing goes wrong anywhere (possible....). Some phase 3 trials take many years! This 18-24 months is really high speed.

Still then have to put production into action; manufacturing & distribution - no magic wands there either!
Best case scenario would be seeing something really great in the phase 2 that the FDA permits accelerated approvals and fast-tracking.

Beginning to see why it takes time and money to get a drug just through to the approval stage. Phase 1 can be a few million; just add decimal points as you go forward.