Has President Biden

[HONDO74]

[MurphOnMillerAve]

I wonder if she has to concentrate to do that. Attitude takes a lot of energy.

[up148]

This list was emailed to me by an acquaintance from another hobby..........I have no idea if this is true or not. But, if even partially true, it's a bad scenario for the USA.

Supposedly this is what we left behind in Afghanistan when we pulled out.

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✅ 2,000 Armored Vehicles Including Humvees and MRAP’s
✅ 75,989 Total Vehicles: FMTV, M35, Ford Rangers, Ford F350, Ford Vans,
Toyota Pickups, Armored Security Vehicles etc
✅ 45 UH-60 Blachhawk Helicopters
✅ 50 MD530G Scout Attack Choppers
✅ ScanEagle Military Drones
✅ 30 Military Version Cessnas
✅ 4 C-130’s
✅ 29 Brazilian made A-29 Super Tocano Ground Attack Aircraft
208+ Aircraft Total
✅ At least 600,000+ Small arms M16, M249 SAWs, M24 Sniper Systems, 50
Calibers, 1,394 M203 Grenade Launchers, M134 Mini Gun, 20mm Gatling Guns
and Ammunition
✅ 61,000 M203 Rounds
✅ 20,040 Grenades
✅ Howitzers
✅ Mortars +1,000’s of Rounds
✅ 162,000 pieces of Encrypted Military Communications Gear
✅ 16,000+ Night Vision Goggles
✅ Newest Technology Night Vision Scopes
✅ Thermal Scopes and Thermal Mono Googles
✅ 10,000 2.75 inch Air to Ground Rockets
✅ Reconnaissance Equipment (ISR)
✅ Laser Aiming Units
✅ Explosives Ordnance C-4, Semtex, Detonators, Shaped Charges, Thermite,
Incendiaries, AP/API/APIT
✅ 2,520 Bombs
✅ Administration Encrypted Cell Phones, Sat phones and Laptops all
operational
✅ Pallets with Millions of Dollars in US Currency
✅ Millions of Rounds of Ammunition including but not limited to
20,150,600 rounds of 7.62mm, 9,000,000 rounds of 50.caliber
✅ Large Stockpile of Plate Carriers and Body Armor
✅ US Military HIIDE, for Handheld Interagency Identity Detection
Equipment Biometrics
✅ Lots of Heavy Equipment Including Bull Dozers, Backhoes, Dump Trucks,
Excavators

But rest assured, America. None of this equipment will benefit those
who regularly chant "Death to America" nor will any of it ever be used
to attack our own soldiers in the future.

[v8vega]

That girl above sure is Biden.
2/3rds of Americans know that the election was stolen

[HONDO74]

I wonder if she has to concentrate to do that. Attitude takes a lot of energy.

Maybe she lost her cell phone.

[robert.]

I saw that list or part of it on NPR. Military officials are down playing it as broken stuff or nobody from the taliban could fly a blackhawk. Just wait until they sell it to somebody who can. Next up will be a midnight hour vote to redirect infrastructure money into a defense fund to replenish list merchandise.

[bob turner]

Well, I agree with one thing above - we definitely screwed this up.

I personally and loudly was against the Iraq and Afghanistan efforts from the get-go.

I am generally kind of shocked by the idea that 3/4 of model train enthusiasts hold the ideas espoused above. I pretty much live in a right wing environment (mostly aviation) and am used to hanging out with conspiracy theorists. But everything I read says that over half of the American voting public leans Democratic, and that the MAGA-hats are actually in the minority.

I could change my mind if anyone could step up with some proof of widespread election fraud. There certainly is enough proof that a combination of legal Gerrymandering and legal re-arranging of voting procedures has skewed things rightward - and yet the only branch of our Federal government that is controlled by the right wing is the unelected one.

There is a guy in Texas who has offered a million bucks for proof of voter fraud. Somebody please take him up on it?

[gregj410]

I am generally kind of shocked by the idea that 3/4 of model train enthusiasts hold the ideas espoused above.

Is there some unspoken law that model train enthusiasts are generally leftist wackos?

But everything I read says that over half of the American voting public leans Democratic

Maybe it’s time to change what you read

[Neil]

Bob, registered Democrats far outweigh the number of registered Republicans, Which is why it has been many decades with only a couple of elections where the Republican candidate won a plurality of the votes.

I work in academic healthcare where I would guess close to 80 to 90% of the physicians scientists nurses and medical technologists are on the liberal end of the spectrum politically. This is true of most urban areas of the country. It is only in the rural areas that registered Republicans outnumber Democrats. It is interesting that federal aid goes disproportionately to the rural areas of the country compared with the urban areas on a per capita basis yet rural voters seem to think that federal money is wasted . Probably because they erroneously think that most federal aid goes disproportionately to the urban poor, which is incorrect.

[bob turner]

Neil - I agree - my friends in medicine, law, and university environments tend to be more liberal in outlook. The surprise, of course, is that the folks who most benefit from a liberal approach to government are often the ones who hate it most - the huge farmers paid to not farm, the airline pilots who have a seriously strong union (thanks to the Railway Labor Act and other labor legislation), and others.

Most of my airline buddies figured that they were elite, and deserved to make twice what a talented engineer could command. I think they would be sleeping in the terminal still if it wasn't for liberal legislation. Good folks, and I loved them all (mostly) but they would disband the NLRB if they could.

Who knows what it is about model trains that brings out the MAGA/Q crowd - but their input is valuable in the sense that we need to understand what our fellow citizens think. You and I think that slightly less than half the country wants an autocratic regime with less regulation - oxymoron springs to mind, but not sure that is accurate. Our forum friends above are quite convinced of the opposite - that all the votes cast for Biden are somehow tainted or illegitimate, since who in their right mind would vote for a Democrat - even a moderate one?

We will never, in a million years, change their mind. I would like to think they could change ours (almost the definition of liberal) if they simply gathered some facts, backed by credible evidence. So far, the proponents of such facts seem destined to lose their bar licenses, if not billions of dollars in judgments.

[HONDO74]

I personally and loudly was against the Iraq and Afghanistan efforts from the get-go.

Over 3 thousand people in New York lost their lives because a terrorist organization based in Afghanistan plotted and financed the attack and the Taliban who controlled Afghanistan sanctioned them being there.

If you were president Mr Turner. What would you have done, just let it slide

[robert.]

I also was against it. We had to go. We didn’t need to be there for 20 years. As we all know war is a big business money maker. All that equipment will need to be replaced.

[Rufus T. Firefly]

I personally and loudly was against the Iraq and Afghanistan efforts from the get-go.

Over 3 thousand people in New York lost their lives because a terrorist organization based in Afghanistan plotted and financed the attack and the Taliban who controlled Afghanistan sanctioned them being there.

If you were president Mr Turner. What would you have done, just let it slide

You're connecting 2 unrelated topics. But to put that into perspective, current count is over 7000 US dead in Afghanistan.

War in Iraq was based upon a contrived pack of lies presented to Congress. Going into a Afghanistan to get a gang of terrorists should not take 20 years. That it took anywhere near a long as it did should send a resounding message of painful clarity. And we are still in Iraq.....

[MurphOnMillerAve]

I wonder if she has to concentrate to do that. Attitude takes a lot of energy.

Maybe she lost her cell phone.

Good one!

[HONDO74]

War in Iraq was based upon a contrived pack of lies presented to Congress. Going into a Afghanistan to get a gang of terrorists should not take 20 years. That it took anywhere near a long as it did should send a resounding message of painful clarity. And we are still in Iraq.....

Your right shouldn't take 20 years. Obama and Biden had 8 years and didn't do it.

71 years in Korea And we are still there.

I'm not advocating we stay in Afghanistan. And you should know by now that I"m against us being the world police force I want to see us get out of everywhere. Get completely out of the middle east. Also get out of Africa where we are fighting Muslim insurgents.

And then get our military out of Europe. They have 2 nuclear powers. The UK and France that can protect their countries. And if they can buy all their oil and gas from Russia they can damn well pay to have their own military do the job. The money we spend could be better used in this country for better health care