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Re: Whatzit?

Postby webenda » Wed Jun 02, 2021 10:26 pm

And, the oldest copies of the scriptures, the Dead Sea Scrolls. Many line by line translations are available on line.

These fragments are dated at the late 1st century BCE to early 1st century CE.
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Re: Whatzit?

Postby webenda » Wed Jun 02, 2021 10:56 pm

Sentences from the dead sea scrolls are interesting to compare to modern day bibles.

For example, this line from the the Dead Sea Great Isaiah Scroll, English translation:

Isaiah 10:16 from 100 BCE Great Isaiah Scroll:
(16) Therefore the Lord YHWH of Hosts shall send among his fatlings leanness and instead of His glory he shall light a flame like the burning of a fire.

Compare to the 1599 Geneva Bible:
16 Therefore shall the Lord God of hosts send among his fat men leanness, and under his glory he shall kindle a burning, like the burning of fire.

Compare to a 2013 New World Translation Bible:
16 Therefore the true Lord, Jehovah of armies, Will inflict emaciation on his fat ones, And beneath his glory he will kindle a blazing fire.

The meaning of all three is found in 2 Chronicles 32:21
21 Then Jehovah sent an angel and wiped out every mighty warrior, leader, and chief in the camp of the king of As·syrʹi·a, so that he went back to his own land in disgrace.

and Isaiah 30:30, 31
30 Jehovah will make his majestic voice heard And reveal his arm as it descends in the heat of anger, With the flame of a consuming fire, A cloudburst and a thunderstorm and hailstones.
31 For because of the voice of Jehovah, As·syrʹi·a will be struck with terror; He will strike it with a rod.

I don't worry about all the bible translations because the principle message has not significantly changed in 2021 years.
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Re: Whatzit?

Postby webenda » Wed Jun 02, 2021 11:17 pm

gregj410 wrote:Wayne. I think most Christians believe that since God raised Jesus from the dead and into eternity we have that same hope to be in heaven for eternity with him. How does Muhammad and the Qur’an fit into that picture? To my knowledge they have never found the body of Jesus. What about Muhammad and what hope does a believer have in him?

Muslims have the same heavenly hope as Christians.

From CNN

Why young Muslims line up to die.

In the late 1990s, Pakistani journalist Nasra Hassan interviewed nearly 250 prospective bombers, their families, as well as their trainers, from within militant Palestinian camps.

In remarkable accounts, members of the Palestinian fundamentalist group Hamas described how potential bombers came to believe that paradise was on the "other side of the detonator."

Candidates for martyrdom were told the first drop of blood shed by a martyr washes away their sins. They could select 70 of their nearest and dearest to enter Heaven; and they would have at their disposal 72 houris, the beautiful virgins of paradise, Hassan recounted in the New Yorker.


Reference: https://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/asiapcf/ ... index.html
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Re: Whatzit?

Postby gregj410 » Thu Jun 03, 2021 6:52 am

Candidates for martyrdom were told the first drop of blood shed by a martyr washes away their sins. They could select 70 of their nearest and dearest to enter Heaven; and they would have at their disposal 72 houris, the beautiful virgins of paradise, Hassan recounted in the New Yorker.


Is there a scripture(s) in the Qur’an that substantiates this?

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Re: Whatzit?

Postby chuck » Thu Jun 03, 2021 9:04 am

Is there a scripture(s) in the Qur’an that substantiates this?


No. You have to follow a rather twisted line of reasoning to get to that point.

Here is a link to the full article:

https://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/asiapcf/southeast/08/17/martyr.culture/index.html#:~:text=Candidates%20for%20martyrdom%20were%20told,recounted%20in%20the%20New%20Yorker.
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Re: Whatzit?

Postby Rufus T. Firefly » Thu Jun 03, 2021 9:14 am

chuck wrote:
Is there a scripture(s) in the Qur’an that substantiates this?


No. You have to follow a rather twisted line of reasoning to get to that point.


Twisted is at best a nice way of describing it.
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Re: Whatzit?

Postby webenda » Thu Jun 03, 2021 10:41 am

Rufus T. Firefly wrote:
chuck wrote:
Is there a scripture(s) in the Qur’an that substantiates this?


No. You have to follow a rather twisted line of reasoning to get to that point.


Twisted is at best a nice way of describing it.

Maybe they were lied to?

Jesus had a few things to say about that.

Mathew 24:3-14

3 While he was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples approached him privately, saying: “Tell us, when will these things be, and what will be the sign of your presence and of the conclusion of the system of things?”

4 In answer Jesus said to them: “Look out that nobody misleads you, 5 for many will come on the basis of my name, saying, ‘I am the Christ,’ and will mislead many. 6 You are going to hear of wars and reports of wars. See that you are not alarmed, for these things must take place, but the end is not yet.

7 “For nation will rise against nation and kingdom against kingdom, and there will be food shortages and earthquakes in one place after another. 8 All these things are a beginning of pangs of distress.

9 “Then people will hand you over to tribulation and will kill you, and you will be hated by all the nations on account of my name. 10 Then, too, many will be stumbled and will betray one another and will hate one another. 11 Many false prophets will arise and mislead many; 12 and because of the increasing of lawlessness, the love of the greater number will grow cold. 13 But the one who has endured to the end will be saved. 14 And this good news of the Kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come.
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Re: Whatzit?

Postby Rufus T. Firefly » Thu Jun 03, 2021 11:20 am

webenda wrote:
Rufus T. Firefly wrote:
chuck wrote:
No. You have to follow a rather twisted line of reasoning to get to that point.


Twisted is at best a nice way of describing it.

Maybe they were lied to?


Seems like there's a lot of that going around, :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: Whatzit?

Postby MurphOnMillerAve » Thu Jun 03, 2021 11:45 am

Does Islam still put homosexuals to death in countries dominated by that religion?

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Re: Whatzit?

Postby chuck » Thu Jun 03, 2021 12:30 pm

Does Islam still put homosexuals to death in countries dominated by that religion?


There are people in power who claim to be "good" Muslims that do that. The alleged scholars that have "studied" the Koran are responsible for this behavior as well as most of the misogynistic claptrap they peddle and especially the "its OK to commit suicide if you are doing it to become a martyr" line even though the Koran and both Old and New Testaments say suicide is morally wrong, period.
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Re: Whatzit?

Postby Rufus T. Firefly » Thu Jun 03, 2021 1:10 pm

Way too much that comes out the mouths of people in power who claim to be scholars of whatever religion is suspect.

None of this is hard to figure out; sadly too few are willing to think for themselves.
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Re: Whatzit?

Postby webenda » Thu Jun 03, 2021 2:16 pm

MurphOnMillerAve wrote:Does Islam still put homosexuals to death in countries dominated by that religion?

As of July 2020, the following jurisdictions prescribe the death penalty for homosexuality: Afghanistan, Iran, Mauritania, Nigeria, Saudi Arabia, Somalia, and the United Arab Emirates.

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_p ... osexuality
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Re: Whatzit?

Postby webenda » Thu Jun 03, 2021 2:26 pm

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Re: Whatzit?

Postby chuck » Thu Jun 03, 2021 3:02 pm

Hedgehog cactus bloom?
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Re: Whatzit?

Postby webenda » Thu Jun 03, 2021 4:45 pm

Not a cactus but it is stickery.
I'll post a full image when I get home.
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