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Re: Whatzit?

Postby Rufus T. Firefly » Wed Jun 02, 2021 5:23 pm

Only until I’ve read the Bible from front to back could I ever entertain studying the Qur’an and that will likely never happen. However if the teachings are similar, I’ll go with the teachings of the Son of God.


Then you really only need to read the New Testament; the Old Testament is really more the basis for Judaism. Should be able to knock that out in a few evenings.
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Re: Whatzit?

Postby webenda » Wed Jun 02, 2021 5:49 pm

Rufus T. Firefly wrote:
Only until I’ve read the Bible from front to back could I ever entertain studying the Qur’an and that will likely never happen. However if the teachings are similar, I’ll go with the teachings of the Son of God.


Then you really only need to read the New Testament; the Old Testament is really more the basis for Judaism. Should be able to knock that out in a few evenings.

That will work for a start. Jesus taught from the Hebrew and Aramaic scrolls (the Old Testament) so you can learn many of the principles found in the Old Testament through Jesus.

Understanding Jesus requires knowledge of the Hebrew/Aramaic scriptures.
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Re: Whatzit?

Postby Rufus T. Firefly » Wed Jun 02, 2021 5:57 pm

webenda wrote:[Understanding Jesus requires knowledge of the Hebrew/Aramaic scriptures.


Well, that leaves out maybe 95+% of the world and almost all Christians. And, that seems totally contrived to make things artificially complicated given that so many "authorities" equate Jesus with Love. Making things excessively complicated reminds me of MTH and DCS, and too many other cults.
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Re: Whatzit?

Postby gregj410 » Wed Jun 02, 2021 6:12 pm

webenda wrote:
Rufus T. Firefly wrote:
Only until I’ve read the Bible from front to back could I ever entertain studying the Qur’an and that will likely never happen. However if the teachings are similar, I’ll go with the teachings of the Son of God.


Then you really only need to read the New Testament; the Old Testament is really more the basis for Judaism. Should be able to knock that out in a few evenings.

That will work for a start. Jesus taught from the Hebrew and Aramaic scrolls (the Old Testament) so you can learn many of the principles found in the Old Testament through Jesus.

Understanding Jesus requires knowledge of the Hebrew/Aramaic scriptures.


True, I find the Strongs Concordance helpful to decipher certain words in Hebrew and Greek.

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Re: Whatzit?

Postby gregj410 » Wed Jun 02, 2021 6:16 pm

Rufus T. Firefly wrote:
webenda wrote:[Understanding Jesus requires knowledge of the Hebrew/Aramaic scriptures.


Well, that leaves out maybe 95+% of the world and almost all Christians. And, that seems totally contrived to make things artificially complicated given that so many "authorities" equate Jesus with Love. Making things excessively complicated reminds me of MTH and DCS, and too many other cults.


Hard to believe that a loving God would leave out 95% of the world and make scripture reading only for the wisest of men. I find many scriptures can be read and understood at face value while others may require more of an in depth study.

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Re: Whatzit?

Postby chuck » Wed Jun 02, 2021 7:14 pm

There are actually multiple versions of THE Bible. This isn't just about differences in translations either. They even have different numbers of books in them.

I suppose the most disturbing part of all this is that the God of Abraham, Jesus, and Allah are all the same God. How His laws/words are twisted by so many is amazing, terrifying and heart breaking.
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Re: Whatzit?

Postby MurphOnMillerAve » Wed Jun 02, 2021 7:26 pm

webenda wrote:....
Understanding Jesus requires knowledge of the Hebrew/Aramaic scriptures.

...and an open heart.
IMHO

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Re: Whatzit?

Postby Rufus T. Firefly » Wed Jun 02, 2021 7:37 pm

MurphOnMillerAve wrote:
webenda wrote:....
Understanding Jesus requires knowledge of the Hebrew/Aramaic scriptures.

...and an open heart.
IMHO


Do you have access to the original Hebrew/Aramaic scriptures and can you read them?

An open mind might be more useful.
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Re: Whatzit?

Postby chuck » Wed Jun 02, 2021 7:47 pm

Do you have access to the original Hebrew/Aramaic scriptures and can you read them?


Don't forget the ancient Greek!
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Re: Whatzit?

Postby Rufus T. Firefly » Wed Jun 02, 2021 8:04 pm

chuck wrote:
Do you have access to the original Hebrew/Aramaic scriptures and can you read them?


Don't forget the ancient Greek!


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Re: Whatzit?

Postby chuck » Wed Jun 02, 2021 8:06 pm

He ran away looking for an honest man!


Probably still looking and running. :lol:
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Re: Whatzit?

Postby MurphOnMillerAve » Wed Jun 02, 2021 9:04 pm

Rufus T. Firefly wrote:
MurphOnMillerAve wrote:
webenda wrote:....
Understanding Jesus requires knowledge of the Hebrew/Aramaic scriptures.

...and an open heart.
IMHO


Do you have access to the original Hebrew/Aramaic scriptures and can you read them?

An open mind might be more useful.

I try to have both as part of my approach to the Truth.

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Re: Whatzit?

Postby Rufus T. Firefly » Wed Jun 02, 2021 9:07 pm

MurphOnMillerAve wrote:
Rufus T. Firefly wrote:
MurphOnMillerAve wrote:...and an open heart.
IMHO


Do you have access to the original Hebrew/Aramaic scriptures and can you read them?

An open mind might be more useful.

I try to have both as part of my approach to the Truth.


All good. Too many discard one or the other.
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Re: Whatzit?

Postby gregj410 » Wed Jun 02, 2021 10:10 pm

Wayne. I think most Christians believe that since God raised Jesus from the dead and into eternity we have that same hope to be in heaven for eternity with him. How does Muhammad and the Qur’an fit into that picture? To my knowledge they have never found the body of Jesus. What about Muhammad and what hope does a believer have in him?

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Re: Whatzit?

Postby webenda » Wed Jun 02, 2021 10:11 pm

Rufus T. Firefly wrote:Do you have access to the original Hebrew/Aramaic scriptures and can you read them?

Nobody does, they have been lost, burned or otherwise destroyed. They did not have Xerox copy machines back then so what we have is hand written copies. And, nobody has to read ancient languages, the bible has been translated into 704 languages from the biblical languages of Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek and the New Testament has been translated into an additional 1,551 languages and Bible portions or stories into 1,160 other languages.
--Wikipedia

We have the Codex Sinaiticus, written in the middle of the fourth century. It contains the earliest complete copy of the Christian New Testament. The hand-written text is in Greek, the original language of the New Testament and in the case of the Old Testament, a translation to Greek.

Codex Sinaiticus, Genesis, Chapter 21, Verse 26
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