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Re: Has President Biden

Postby v8vega » Thu Apr 29, 2021 11:21 am

The Democrats Communist took advantage of the coronavirus as a excuse to pass all the new laws that made it possible to for massive cheating and even worse from now on. Election integrity is gone.

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Re: Has President Biden

Postby G3750 » Fri Apr 30, 2021 2:17 pm

OK, I will dismantle this by the numbers.
Neil wrote:Well, since the rare episodes of cheating were mostly crazed Republican fascists trying to re-elect Der Trumpster, I doubt anyone much cares. And the numbers documented by actual evidence were so tiny as to mock the notion that Joe Biden didn't win by close to 7-8 million votes. That's a lot.


NEVER has vote counting been halted for hours at a time. That it was, and that poll watchers were thrown out of the facilities during the hiatus remains highly suspicious no matter how much spin you put on it. The elimination of ballot safeguards (signatures, watermarks), chain of custody violations, and modifications to voting deadlines made without the affected state legislatures (i.e. through the courts) suggests MASSIVE fraud. The refusal to even hear these concerns suggests a white wash.

Neil wrote:As for the country being destroyed by immigration, I daresay almost everyone here did not have ancestors who came over on the Mayflower or anytime within 200 years of that voyage.

The statement is completely irrelevant to the current situation. As you are a man of science, I direct you to look at the numbers. To wit:
  • Population growth in this country over the past 50 years is exclusively due to immigration
  • This nation does not possess unlimited resources; illegals cost this nation BILLIONS every year.
  • From 1925-1965 the USA halted immigration completely so that assimulation could take place. Where is the concern for that?
  • Illegals present a criminal, national security, and resources / services burden on the United States.
  • Illegals and high numbers of legal immigrants compete for American jobs (and don't give me that crap about jobs Americans won't do).

If you are truly willing to debate using facts, go to NumbersUSA.com and take a look. Then we'll talk.

Neil wrote:Why is admitting DC as a state not a fair fight? Is it any less dishonest than cramming the Supreme Court with nominees not supported by the public representatives or according to long honored traditions? Or putting one person on the Court when a new President was just about to take office a little bit after saying one cannot do that when the Democrats nominated Garland? Talk about hypocrisy and dishonesty....
DC was purposefully designed not to be a state. It is so typical that when the Democrats can't win a fight, they have to cheat.

Neil wrote:Media outlets censoring lies, insurrectionist screeds and general violations of the law by the President and his minions is actually a service to free speech because the first amendment does not protect violent or threatening or intentionally untruthful speech in the media, as we all know.


The 2 tweets that the House used as the basis of the 2nd impeachment trial contained no incitement to violence, as you well know. Further, Trumps speech to his followers to peaceably assemble at the Capital started 20 minutes AFTER the riots began. So we know that claim is bogus as well.

It is particularly telling that Big Media as well as the Social Media giants (Google, Facebook, Twitter, YouTube) are all in the hands of liberals. Zuckerburg contributed $500 million to the Democratic Party. Dorsey (Twitter) censors people (called out in Congress for this by Ted Cruz) on the basis of some hidden "community standards".

Face it - this is CENSORSHIP on a comprehensive, coordinated, and massive scale. And it represents the decline of this nation.

Neil wrote:If Liberalism is a mental disorder, then the current Republican conservative cult of personality is just Biblical level evil. I believe one of the ten commandments said something about dishonesty. There is no bigger liar in the political realm that his Trumpness, the current head of party. Better mentally ill than evil :).


You call it a personality cult, but that's only to make you feel better about it. Trump is the 1st president in 40 years to actually care about people and his supporters know it. His actions did more to put $ in the pockets of the working class and the poor than anything the Democrats have been promising since the 1960s.

As for Biblical tenets, you are correct. The phrase is "bearing false witness against your neighbor". And we have seen 5+ years of it, starting when Trump walked down the escalator to declare for the Presidency. The false attacks, phony investigations (4 years of investigations and NOT ONE SHRED of hard evidence of wrong doing) and the distorted coverage by the media were unrelenting. How many times did WaPo and NYT have to retract stories and statement? And hey, what about a President (Obama) using the full weight of the national law enforcement and intelligence gathering apparatus against a political opponent? If that isn't 3rd world banana republic stuff, I don't know what is.

Neil wrote:That said, I don't believe liberal Democrats are any greater fans of the Chinese government and its policies than conservative Republicans. I think one of the few good things Trump did was call attention to hostile Chinese policies. And remember it was Nixon, a conservative Republican, who opened our society to Chinese imports. Joe Biden is no more a tool of the Chinese than I am. And Trump's relationship with Putin makes Biden look like a raving nationalist hostile to the Chinese. So I don't think Republicans yet have any grounds for complaint.


I don't believe that most liberal Democrats are fans of the Chinese either. But the Democratic Party leadership? Bought and paid for by the Chinese. That also applies to many of the people educating their children; a number of American universities and colleges accept billions in Chinese funding (and failed to report it).

Joe Biden is exactly a tool of the Chinese and the investigation into Hunter Biden would prove it if it weren't being suppressed. Trump's relationship to Putin has already been scrutinized. There's nothing there and even a corrupt fool like Mueller couldn't manufacture anything. You need to keep up with the current distortions. Trump did more to curtain Putin's actions (via oil) than anyone.

Neil wrote:In any case: SCOREBOARD. When Republicans controlled the Congress and White House they didn't try to get bipartisan support for their appalling tax cuts for the rich and corporations, so now that the shoe is on the other foot, it's more than a bit cynical and dishonest to complain that Democrats are passing legislation that supports the voters who elected them. Find your own voters if want to be in control :).


The so-called "appalling" tax cuts for the rich and corporations were expertly negotiated by Trump to force the recipients into keeping jobs here and expanding operations in this country. They weren't kick-back schemes (like Solyndra) or used to fund corporate wealth (like GE moving bulb manufacturing to Malaysia). Trump's renegotiation of NAFTA created jobs right here in America. His energy independence policies created jobs and made America a net exporter of energy. Biden wreaked $1.6 Billion of economic havoc by reversing the XL pipeline in his first week.

The fate of the nation is far more important than keeping score. The bottom line is that the Democrats want to cement their power even if it destroys the Republic. Their actions make that irrefutable.

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Re: Has President Biden

Postby Neil » Fri Apr 30, 2021 2:40 pm

"The refusal to even hear these concerns suggests a white wash."

So why have Republican election officials, even those who support Trump, uniformly agreed there was no significant voter fraud? Believing something doesn't make it true. You cannot hide massive voter fraud. Too many people would have to agree to the cover-up to make it possible. Your guys lost fair and square, and they won fair and square where they won, which they did down ballot. If there was a conspiracy to steal the presidential election, why not steal the Senate and House as well?

"And it represents the decline of this nation."

I don't think so. Immigration has made this country great and our commitment to admitting those who are refugees from persecution or threats of violence is a long standing American virtue. The media report the facts, not what any particular group of politicians like. The left wing of the Democratic party has not been well received by the media and has been scrutinized the same way the right wing of the Republican party has been scrutinized. No one on the left, except for a few loonies, has been calling for violence at this point in history. This is not true of Trump nor of his most extreme fans.

"And hey, what about a President (Obama) using the full weight of the national law enforcement and intelligence gathering apparatus against a political opponent? If that isn't 3rd world banana republic stuff, I don't know what is."

What about Trump trying to instigate dishonest behavior on the part of the Ukrainian leadership in exchange for support? That's what the impeachment was about, not the Russian investigation (which found lots of evidence of inappropriate or suspicious behavior by Don, Jr. and others). You cannot seriously believe Donald Trump is an honest, sincere and worthy human being, much less President. The evidence is overwhelming against him.

"The so-called "appalling" tax cuts for the rich and corporations were expertly negotiated by Trump to force the recipients into keeping jobs here and expanding operations in this country."

Which they didn't do. No serious economist believes in the trickle down theory of cutting taxes on the rich or corporations creating wealth for the working or middle class. There is absolutely no evidence it occurs. Indeed, there is serious and convincing evidence that improving child care, providing universal education, New Deal type policies do improve the well being of children, women and the poor. Biden's programs are much more likely to improve the wealth, health and resilience of our democracy than anything Trump did or the Republicans proposed. Trying to reverse the healthcare benefits of Obamacare which benefited tens of millions of working class and lower middle class individuals shows just how politically naive and malicious the Republican party can be at its worst. By removing healthcare from the expenses of employers in the long run we will create both a humane society and enormous economic benefits to business.

It is pathetic how the best the Republican leadership can do to argue against the Democratic platform is to whine that "big government is bad." That's as idiotic as the fringe left saying all capitalists are evil. Big government prevented starvation during the depression and then won WWII. Big government is needed because we have the worst health care statistics and poverty of any developed nation, and our infrastructure has been neglected in many ways. Not to mention a pandemic that has undermined the economic stability of a good proportion of the population. There is a time for government to stand back and a time for massive investment. The present is a time for massive investment in our future and our childrens' and grandchildrens' futures. We aren't going to successfully compete with the Chinese by sitting back and letting hedge fund managers count their wealth.

We need to invest in scientific and medical research as we did in the 1960s, provide education at low cost for our citizens, enable any willing worker (male and female) to work without fear of not having health insurance or neglecting their children and fix our communications and transportation infrastructure to maximize both economic growth and our sense of safety and well being.
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Re: Has President Biden

Postby G3750 » Fri Apr 30, 2021 3:40 pm

One at a time.
Neil wrote:"The refusal to even hear these concerns suggests a white wash."

So why have Republican election officials, even those who support Trump, uniformly agreed there was no significant voter fraud? Believing something doesn't make it true. You cannot hide massive voter fraud. Too many people would have to agree to the cover-up to make it possible. Your guys lost fair and square, and they won fair and square where they won, which they did down ballot. If there was a conspiracy to steal the presidential election, why not steal the Senate and House as well?



Of course, you didn't answer the question did you? Why was vote counting stopped and the polling areas cleared for hours? If you want to respond, answer that. Now's your chance.

And Republican election officials have not uniformly agreed that there was no fraud. The only Republicans who think the election was fair are the same old never-Trumpers who survive by sucking on the public teat. By the way, most Trump lawsuits were rejected on bogus pretense that the group bringing them "had no standing". Of the 22 lawsuits heard, the Trump campaign won 15. But the media never reported that, did they?

As for down ballot victories, state legislatures remain primarily Republican. There are a number of efforts underway to repair state election processes perverted in the 2020 debacle.

With the media's protection, much has been hidden already.

And it is particularly telling that the first bill in the House, HR1 is a law intended to remove the ability of state houses to control their own elections. It would mean that the Federal government would run elections, solidify the cheating and ballot games played, and guaranteeing perpetual Democratic election victories.

That the Democrats would conceive such a bill is particularly heinous, but not surprising.
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Re: Has President Biden

Postby Neil » Fri Apr 30, 2021 3:54 pm

"Why was vote counting stopped and the polling areas cleared for hours? If you want to respond, answer that. Now's your chance."

I cannot respond to claims that have no factual basis. Polling areas were not cleared for hours. The pretense that the election was biased is completely without factual basis except in the imagination of Trump loyalist who won't believe the truth. Trump was and is a heinous and repulsive human being, and 7 million Americans were the proof to that contention. Even Hillary Clinton, a much less popular figure, polled 3 million more votes than Trump. The fact remains that all but one Presidential candidate from the Republican party has failed to have a plurality of votes cast in the last few decades. That's because the bulk of Americans live in urban or suburban settings, and Republicans primarily appeal to rural constituencies. Without the electoral college we would have only Democratic presidents for many decades, by and large. So much for real democracy and the ability of the people's will to be done.

Scientific evidence is "no fraud worth talking about" except for Trump loyalists, sore losers and conspiracy theorists. The Georgia officials for example, and Michigan officials as well, could not be called "never Trump" supporters.

Your comment that most suits were thrown out for lack of standing is overwhelmingly incorrect. Most were thrown out because no evidence was provided in support of the suit. Claims of fraud without any evidence are not going anywhere. A few disgruntled or deluded poll workers aren't evidence. Trump is an amoral and narcissistic human being who cares nothing for other human beings, and portraying him as some wronged Christ-like figure is bizarre and contrary to the historical record. He lost because he deserved to lose and people disliked him.

"That the Democrats would conceive such a bill is particularly heinous, but not surprising."

That sounds like what the Southern states said about Federal attempts to grant civil rights to black Americans. The Democrats are doing nothing different from what Republicans are trying to do to keep poor and non-white Americans from voting, since they are not about to vote for the white supremacist, suck up to the rich policies of the Republican party. Will the Democrats be any better when they are in control? Probably not. They will forbid members of informal militias and wife beaters from voting :).
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Re: Has President Biden

Postby gregj410 » Fri Apr 30, 2021 4:46 pm

If you are truly willing to debate using facts, go to NumbersUSA.com and take a look. Then we'll talk.


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Re: Has President Biden

Postby robert. » Fri Apr 30, 2021 5:43 pm

Pennsylvania secretary of elections took Pa’s election law changes to court. She needed a judge to approve all changes. All of pa’s emergency changes were done in a court of law. A court where the judge is her husband. After the election she resigned. :roll: :roll:
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Re: Has President Biden

Postby v8vega » Sun May 02, 2021 9:43 am

Niel and his elk hate Trump so much because he was the most effective president ever and that's why we love him.

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Re: Has President Biden

Postby HONDO74 » Mon May 03, 2021 10:10 pm

Hillary Clinton warns of 'huge consequences' in Afghan US troop withdrawal
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-56966473

Former US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton has warned of "huge consequences" of President Joe Biden's decision to withdraw American troops from Afghanistan.

Mrs Clinton told CNN there was a risk the Taliban - the Islamist group ousted in 2001 by the US-led invasion - could retake control.

The US aims to complete the withdrawal by 11 September.

However, the Taliban have been carrying out more attacks.

"This is what we call a wicked problem," Mrs Clinton told CNN. "There are consequences both foreseen and unintended of staying and of leaving," she said.

Mrs Clinton, like Mr Biden a Democrat, was a strong supporter of the US intervention in Afghanistan after the 9/11 attacks in 2001.

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Re: Has President Biden

Postby Neil » Tue May 04, 2021 2:17 am

"Niel and his elk hate Trump so much because he was the most effective president ever and that's why we love him."

My elk tells me that Hitler, Mussolini and Stalin were very effective as well. If you are a racist or white supremacist and/or fear and hate women, Trump was pretty damn effective. The only thing that stopped him from turning us into a fascist state is our laws and some brave Republicans who refused to let him undermine our electoral system. And a military that wouldn't cooperate with his desire to be appointed dictator for life :).
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Re: Has President Biden

Postby gregj410 » Wed May 05, 2021 8:33 pm

Joey the dunce got an 80 from a lady that couldn’t name any important things he’s done for the public. lol:

https://youtu.be/L7Eaz0ZvLZM

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Re: Has President Biden

Postby HONDO74 » Fri May 14, 2021 10:49 am

Biden administration offers no accounting for migrant kids released into U.S.
https://news.yahoo.com/biden-administra ... 10603.html

Stef W. Kight
Thu, May 13, 2021, 7:45 PM

Thousands of migrant children have been released by the Biden administration to caretakers in the U.S. as part of the government's program for unaccompanied minors — but there's little-to-no visibility about what's happened to them.

Flashback: During the Trump administration, there was outrage when a top official told Congress his agency was unable to verify the locations of about 1,500 kids released to sponsors. Today, the agency in charge won't answer questions about its efforts to keep track of these vulnerable children.

By the numbers: Since the end of January, about 22,000 kids have been released to sponsors, according to HHS data

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Re: Has President Biden

Postby gregj410 » Fri May 14, 2021 12:33 pm

The Democrats don’t care about children dying of starvation in the desert as long as it renders them power. A rancher in Texas....farmer Hobbs found 5 little girls ages 7 down to 11 months on his ranch abandoned and all alone. It was 103 degrees the previous day. Had he not found them they would have died.

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Re: Has President Biden

Postby HONDO74 » Wed May 19, 2021 11:40 pm

Nord Stream 2: Biden waives US sanctions on Russian pipeline
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-57180674

The Biden administration has waived sanctions on a company building a controversial gas pipeline between Russia and Germany.

The US also lifted sanctions on the executive - an ally of Russia's Vladimir Putin - who leads the firm behind the Nord Stream 2 project.

The move came in a report on Russian sanctions delivered to Congress by the Department of State.

Critics say the pipeline is a major geopolitical prize for the Kremlin.

The project, which would take gas from the Russian Arctic under the Baltic Sea to Germany, is already more than 95% complete.

The Department of State report notes that Nord Stream 2 AG and its chief executive, Matthias Warnig, a former East German intelligence officer, engaged in sanctionable activity.

But it concludes that it is in the US national interest to waive the sanctions.

So now Vladimir Putin and Joe Biden are BUDDIES. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Re: Has President Biden

Postby v8vega » Sat May 29, 2021 11:38 am

Gas is at a 7 year high. A dollar more than it was before illegitimate Biden got in.


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