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Re: vaccine

Postby Neil » Sat Jan 02, 2021 10:48 am

"There is huge profit in owning these facilities. "

There are lots of things capitalism does well. Amongst the things it cannot do well are healthcare, education and national defense.
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Re: vaccine

Postby robert. » Sat Jan 02, 2021 11:01 am

Neil wrote:"There is huge profit in owning these facilities. "

There are lots of things capitalism does well. Amongst the things it cannot do well are healthcare, education and national defense.

My wealthiest customer owns public charter schools. He owns several 30,000 square foot houses. I would post photos of his houses. Problem is once you put them online. his team of lawyers tracks you down and files suit. Profit is not a dirty word to me. Greed is. Sadly no candidate mentioned education reform.
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Re: vaccine

Postby Neil » Sat Jan 02, 2021 11:16 am

Not averse to profit. Merely that the profit motive invariably means that patients, students and the national defense are neglected in the pursuit of more money for the owner or stockholders. Hence the reason there are absolutely no great for profit hospitals, schools, universities, nursing homes or armies :).
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Re: vaccine

Postby Rufus T. Firefly » Sat Jan 02, 2021 11:25 am

robert. wrote:
Rufus T. Firefly wrote:
robert. wrote:That comment says a lot about our failing healthcare. Pharmacist can do. Yet long term care facilities cant. They should have a few people on the floor that can give a shot.


Pharmacists go through a lot of training and certifications that are required -- personnel at care facilities aren't. Has nothing to do with the healthcare system but more to do with individual state licensing of healthcare facilities.


Sounds like these facilities are nothing more than hotels with diaper changers.


Bit of an exaggeration but they are what they are and you get what you pay for in such facilities. Few can pay top dollar for medical care

Our populations has a lot of boomers hitting an age of possible need. we may need to make some heavy changes to personal care facilities.


It's part of the upcoming retirement disaster; very few have saved enough to pay for their cost of survival post-retirement; healthcare is part of the equation. "We" - a lot of it is on irresponsible individuals never planning for anything beyond tomorrow.

I have a few customers that own some care facilities. Not one of them knows a damn thing about healthcare. The only thing they know is. How to get a building built and filled with people. There is huge profit in owning these facilities. Maybe to much profit. Most of the funding goes into the owners pocket.


It's a for profit business. Next.....

These places call 911 as soon as somebody needs medical attention. Then sit back and wait for EMTs.


Again, they are basic care and housing; very few are more than that. They are not healthcare nor hospitals.

I don't know how or to what level the system can be changed to. But i do know it needs changing.


If you want them to be healthcare nor hospital, just figure out how to pay for that level of daily care. Numbers are not hard to track down, but I'd guesstimate that at least 80% of the population cannot afford it.
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Re: vaccine

Postby HONDO74 » Sat Jan 02, 2021 11:27 am

robert. wrote: Sadly no candidate mentioned education reform.


Are you serious ? the teachers unions control the education in this country. They are the biggest contributors to the democrats. No way the democrats will propose anything. :( :( :(

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Postby Rufus T. Firefly » Sat Jan 02, 2021 11:31 am

HONDO74 wrote:
robert. wrote: Sadly no candidate mentioned education reform.


Are you serious ? the teachers unions control the education in this country. They are the biggest contributors to the democrats. No way the democrats will propose anything. :( :( :(


Not just Democrats - they'll back anyone that supports them.

In any case, every time the Gov't gets involved in education reform they make it worse........sort of like how they messterpiece most things.
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Re: vaccine

Postby Neil » Sat Jan 02, 2021 11:36 am

Whatever the answer to education reform is, it isn't for profit schools or universities. There are no examples worldwide of for profit excellence in education. Only ideologues who cannot bear for their precious "profit motive and capitalism answers all questions" to be infringed think for profit education, healthcare or navies are a rational basis for moving forward. Bureaucracies like our educational system will inevitably have inefficiencies and examples of where the interests of the teachers and administrators are put before those of the students. It's those inefficiencies and outrages that need fixing when they occur. You don't tear down the institutions unless they are totally dysfunctional (see, under history: monarchy).
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Re: vaccine

Postby Rufus T. Firefly » Sat Jan 02, 2021 11:43 am

Neil wrote: It's those inefficiencies and outrages that need fixing when they occur.


Yes, but tearing down the institutions tends to be the chosen solution, or replacing it all, or worse, adding or over layering something worse to it happens.

We used to have 2-3 layers of review committees/offices........ inefficient and not meeting needs; solution was to add another layer of review committees/offices on top of the existing structure w/o correcting the prior mess. Somehow adding more inefficiency and not meeting needs was decided to be an improvement.......and then another layer was added to make it better.........
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Re: vaccine

Postby HONDO74 » Sat Jan 02, 2021 12:09 pm

Rufus T. Firefly wrote:Not just Democrats - they'll back anyone that supports them.

In any case, every time the Gov't gets involved in education reform they make it worse........sort of like how they messterpiece most things.


And then we have all those that want the government to take complete control of the health care in this country.

MEDICARE for all. Biden says he doesn't want that :wink: He wants to improve the ACA and keep it in the hands of private insurance.

And no the republicans don't have a good answer for it either.

We will have to wait and see what the democrats come up with this year... :wink:

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Re: vaccine

Postby Rufus T. Firefly » Sat Jan 02, 2021 1:01 pm

HONDO74 wrote:
Rufus T. Firefly wrote:Not just Democrats - they'll back anyone that supports them.

In any case, every time the Gov't gets involved in education reform they make it worse........sort of like how they messterpiece most things.


And then we have all those that want the government to take complete control of the health care in this country.

MEDICARE for all. Biden says he doesn't want that :wink: He wants to improve the ACA and keep it in the hands of private insurance.

And no the republicans don't have a good answer for it either.

We will have to wait and see what the democrats come up with this year... :wink:


Won't matter; it's going to be a split congress and continued gridlock. That may be a mercy.
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Re: vaccine

Postby HONDO74 » Sat Jan 09, 2021 7:23 pm

Rufus T. Firefly wrote:Won't matter; it's going to be a split congress and continued gridlock. That may be a mercy.


WRONG. the democrats now control the senate also.... :wink:

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Re: vaccine

Postby HONDO74 » Sat Jan 09, 2021 7:25 pm

Experts express concern about Biden's plan to release nearly all available vaccine doses
https://news.yahoo.com/experts-express- ... 00039.html

President-elect Joe Biden plans to release nearly every available dose of the Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna COVID-19 vaccines when he takes office later this month rather than holding back millions of second doses, his transition team said Friday. The decision is meant to "ensure the Americans who need it most get it as soon as possible."

The Trump administration has insisted it's necessary to retain second doses, with Health and Human Services Secretary Alex Azar on Friday expressing concern that Biden's plan could backfire if there are any manufacturing mishaps.

Outside of the White House, Dr. Leana Wen of George Washington University, was also apprehensive, noting that there is "an ethical consideration" since those who volunteered for the initial dose were reasonably expecting to receive the second in the proper amount of time. Biden does not intend to delay the second shot for those patients, and is instead counting on an increased production to keep pace. But, Wen says, not only is there no guarantee of a smooth manufacturing process, much of the slowdown has occurred between distribution and injection, so until that stage improves the risk of delay remains.

First, the bottleneck now is not supply, but the "last mile" between getting the vaccine to distribution sites & injecting it into people's arms. Speeding up this process should be the focus, or else vaccines will just sit in different freezers.

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Re: vaccine

Postby HONDO74 » Tue Jan 12, 2021 1:14 pm

What are differences the Covid vaccines?
https://www.bbc.com/news/av/health-55625276

The three Covid-19 vaccines are from Pfizer-BioNTech, the University of Oxford and Astra-Zeneca and Moderna.

The Pfizer, Oxford and Moderna vaccines each require two doses and you are not fully vaccinated until a week after your second shot.

But there are many differences between them.

BBC health correspondent Laura Foster looks at the differences between the Pfizer, Oxford and Moderna vaccines - at how much immunity they give, how they prevent infection and which one is better.

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Re: vaccine

Postby Rufus T. Firefly » Tue Jan 12, 2021 2:03 pm

HONDO74 wrote:........how much immunity they give, how they prevent infection and which one is better.


I doubt that we will really know the answers to those questions for several months if not until next year. In the meantime, other vaccines are not all that far off.
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Re: vaccine

Postby HONDO74 » Wed Jan 20, 2021 10:05 pm

How effective is a single vaccine dose against Covid-19?
https://www.bbc.com/future/article/2021 ... ccine-dose

Pretend it didn't happen – expert advice on how to behave after receiving a single dose of any of the Covid-19 vaccines.

The cases are already beginning to emerge.

When 85-year-old Colin Horseman was admitted to Doncaster Royal Infirmary in late December, it was for a suspected kidney infection. But not long afterwards he caught Covid-19 – at the time, roughly one in four people in hospital with the virus had acquired it there. He developed severe symptoms and was eventually put on a ventilator. A few days later, he died.

At first glance, Horseman's situation may seem fairly typical, though no less tragic for it. After all, at least 84,767 people have now succumbed to the disease in the UK alone at the time of writing. But, as his son recently explained in a local newspaper, less than three weeks earlier he had been among the first people in the world to receive the initial dose of a Covid-19 vaccine – the Pfizer-BioNTech version. He was due to receive the second dose two days prior to his death.

In fact, most vaccines require booster doses to work.


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