Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy

[Rufus T. Firefly]

If "beer is proof that God loves us..." what has wine demonstrated? Champagne?

You'd have to ask Ben. But I'd wager it resides in the simple fact that the brewing of beer is truly ancient and has been enjoyed far longer than wine or its derivatives.

[MurphOnMillerAve]

I had wondered which pre-dated the other and had imagined it was wine. Did the Babylonians and Old Kingdom Egyptians have either? Both?

[Rufus T. Firefly]

I had wondered which pre-dated the other and had imagined it was wine. Did the Babylonians and Old Kingdom Egyptians have either? Both?

They certainly had beer and beer predates wine.

[robert.]

What about mead?

[Rufus T. Firefly]

What about mead?

Okay, I'm lumping that under the beer/ale, etc. umbrella.

[robert.]

While looking up mead. I noticed a few different names for dates bce and ce. I guess BC and AD are longer correct.

[Rufus T. Firefly]

While looking up mead. I noticed a few different names for dates bce and ce. I guess BC and AD are longer correct.

Not heard that they were discontinued..................yet.

[robert.]

Bce before common era Ce common era

[HONDO74]

Common Era
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_Era

Common Era (CE) is one of the year notations used for the Gregorian calendar (and its predecessor, the Julian calendar), the world's most widely used calendar era. Before the Common Era or Before the Current Era (BCE) is the era before CE. BCE and CE are alternatives to the Dionysian BC and AD notations respectively. The Dionysian era distinguishes eras using the notations BC ("before Christ") and AD (anno Domini, "in [the] year of [the] Lord").[1] The two notation systems are numerically equivalent: "2020 CE" and "AD 2020" each describe the current year; "400 BCE" and "400 BC" are each the same year.[1][2] The Gregorian calendar is used throughout the world today, and is an international standard for civil calendars.[3]

The expression has been traced back to 1615, when it first appeared in a book by Johannes Kepler as the Latin annus aerae nostrae vulgaris,[4][5] and to 1635 in English as "Vulgar Era".[a] The term "Common Era" can be found in English as early as 1708,[6] and became more widely used in the mid-19th century by Jewish religious scholars. Since the later 20th century, CE and BCE are popular in academic and scientific publications as culturally neutral terms. They are used by others who wish to be sensitive to non-Christians by not explicitly referring to Jesus as "Christ" nor as Dominus ("Lord") through use of the other abbreviations.[7][8][b][c]

[gregj410]

I just like beer. Isn't there a wine thread?

[MurphOnMillerAve]

I had wondered which pre-dated the other and had imagined it was wine. Did the Babylonians and Old Kingdom Egyptians have either? Both?

They certainly had beer and beer predates wine.

Harvesting grains pre-dating raising delicate vineyards, makes sense on the civilization progress line.

[rogruth]

Common Era
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_Era

Common Era (CE) is one of the year notations used for the Gregorian calendar (and its predecessor, the Julian calendar), the world's most widely used calendar era. Before the Common Era or Before the Current Era (BCE) is the era before CE. BCE and CE are alternatives to the Dionysian BC and AD notations respectively. The Dionysian era distinguishes eras using the notations BC ("before Christ") and AD (anno Domini, "in [the] year of [the] Lord").[1] The two notation systems are numerically equivalent: "2020 CE" and "AD 2020" each describe the current year; "400 BCE" and "400 BC" are each the same year.[1][2] The Gregorian calendar is used throughout the world today, and is an international standard for civil calendars.[3]

The expression has been traced back to 1615, when it first appeared in a book by Johannes Kepler as the Latin annus aerae nostrae vulgaris,[4][5] and to 1635 in English as "Vulgar Era".[a] The term "Common Era" can be found in English as early as 1708,[6] and became more widely used in the mid-19th century by Jewish religious scholars. Since the later 20th century, CE and BCE are popular in academic and scientific publications as culturally neutral terms. They are used by others who wish to be sensitive to non-Christians by not explicitly referring to Jesus as "Christ" nor as Dominus ("Lord") through use of the other abbreviations.[7][8][b][c]

After all of this the dividing point still seems to do with the time of Jesus or whatever name you prefer.

[HONDO74]

[HONDO74]

[Rufus T. Firefly]

The Edmond Fitzgerald porter I've had and was not impressed......disappointed actually.