vaccine

[rogruth]

No, we don't wear masks at home. If I/we go anywhere else we do.
My hands are cleaner than they have ever been before.

[HONDO74]

Covid: Trials to test combination of Oxford and Sputnik vaccines
https://www.bbc.com/news/health-55273907

UK and Russian scientists are teaming up to trial a combination of the Oxford-AstraZeneca and Sputnik V vaccines to see if protection against Covid-19 can be improved.

Mixing two similar vaccines could lead to a better immune response in people.

The trials, to be held in Russia, will involve over-18s, although it's not clear how many people will be involved.

Oxford recently published results showing their jab was safe and effective in trials on people.

The researchers are still collecting data on the effectiveness of the vaccine in older age groups while waiting for approval from the UK regulator, the MHRA.

AstraZeneca said it was exploring combinations of different adenovirus vaccines to find out whether mixing them leads to a better immune response and, therefore, greater protection.

[HONDO74]

Trump promised mass vaccination by spring. To make it happen, Biden could use wartime law.
https://news.yahoo.com/biden-aides-weig ... 24488.html

WASHINGTON — President-elect Joe Biden's coronavirus advisory team consulted scientists and supply chain experts about whether he should invoke a wartime production law to help produce and administer more Covid-19 vaccines, two advisers familiar with the discussions said.

President Donald Trump has already invoked the Defense Production Act, or DPA, to speed the production of medical supplies and components to test for the coronavirus, and he has raised the possibility of using the law again for vaccines. Manufacturers have said there could be a shortage of components to make the vaccines.

The DPA was enacted during the Korean War to allow the federal government to compel manufacturing production for national defense. Biden's team has explored using it soon after he takes office next month to try to meet the goal of mass vaccination by summer, the advisers said.

Biden's aides have already begun to warn that the Trump administration's timeline projecting mass vaccination in the spring may be too optimistic, carrying the risk that Biden will be blamed when expectations aren't met. Whether to invoke the DPA to speed production could be an early test for Biden.

[chuck]

How long did it take for everyone to get the polio vaccine?

Initial mass inoculation in the US took about four years.

These are very different diseases. "Large" outbreaks of polio were in the 25,000-50,000 per year with deaths from the disease around 3,000-5,000 per year. The transmission vector is also very, very, very different. If you want to read more about it,

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polio_vaccine

As a 'hint", the vector of infection is through the lower GI tract. Usually associated with poor sanitation and poor hygiene practices. People handling fecal material or handling stuff exposed to fecal contamination. One odd case for transmission is the attenuated or live virus vaccine recipient mutating the virus to a truly active form and literally passing it where it could infect a non immunized person.

Most of this occurred BEFORE rapid and cheap air travel and our own countries demographics were less urbanized. We still administer the vaccine to children as part of a multi shot covering several other diseases (at least the people that aren't active Anti Vaxers do). Last outbreak in the US was back in 79 amongst some Amish groups in the mid west.

[HONDO74]

It was 1957 when I got my polio shot at the high school I attended in So California.

We were also doing air raid drills in the 50s in case the Russians nuked us ....

[HONDO74]

NY health network faces criminal investigation over unauthorized COVID-19 vaccine
The vaccine may have been transferred to facilities in other parts of the state and diverted it to members of the public

Reuters

New York State Health officials said on Saturday they are investigating a Brooklyn-based healthcare provider on suspicion it violated state guidelines for distribution of COVID-19 vaccine.

ParCare Community Health Network "may have fraudulently obtained COVID-19 vaccine, transferred it to facilities in other parts of the state in violation of state guidelines and diverted it to members of the public - contrary to the state's plan to administer it first to frontline healthcare workers, as well as nursing home residents and staffers," state Health Commissioner Howard Zucker said in a statement.

"We take this very seriously and DOH will be assisting State Police in criminal investigation into this matter," he added.

[Rufus T. Firefly]

Been expecting this sort of thing to happen - desperation is high.

[Neil]

Anesthesiologists in NYC are appalled that some administrators have received vaccine before they did. Quite see their point. Anesthesiologists are at highest risk of most physicians since they are routinely intubating patients for surgery. Not surprising that some administrators are part of the decision making and may be prioritizing their own group before healthcare workers, if that's what occurred. Or it could be the usual entropy that occurs in any large enterprise.

The key thing is to get as many people vaccinated as soon as possible. Be great if priorities based upon clinical need were observed, which I think, in large part, they are.

[robert.]

My friend's son and daughter-in-law are both Anesthesiologists. They work in Albany NY. Both had Corona virus before late April. The son had it first. He quarantined in a university dorm for 20 days. This allowed his wife to stay on and work. She got a week after he came home. Both work in the ER and claim there is no time to test patients.

[HONDO74]

Vaccinated US nurse contracts COVID-19, expert says Pfizer shot needed more time to work - ABC
https://news.yahoo.com/california-nurse ... 54265.html

(Reuters) - A nurse in California tested positive for COVID-19 more than a week after receiving Pfizer Inc's vaccine, an ABC News affiliate reported on Tuesday, but a medical expert said the body needs more time to build up protection.

Matthew W., 45, a nurse at two different local hospitals, said in a Facebook post on December 18 that he had received the Pfizer vaccine, telling the ABC News affiliate that his arm was sore for a day but that he had suffered no other side-effects.

Six days later on Christmas Eve, he became sick after working a shift in the COVID-19 unit, the report added. He got the chills and later came down with muscle aches and fatigue.

He went to a drive-up hospital testing site and tested positive for COVID-19 the day after Christmas, the report said.

Christian Ramers, an infectious disease specialist with Family Health Centers of San Diego, told the ABC News affiliate that this scenario was not unexpected.

"We know from the vaccine clinical trials that it's going to take about 10 to 14 days for you to start to develop protection from the vaccine," Ramers said.

"That first dose we think gives you somewhere around 50%, and you need that second dose to get up to 95%," Ramers added.

[MurphOnMillerAve]

I appreciate that additional information, Hondo .

[Rufus T. Firefly]

And that little scenario demonstrates that just because you got the 1st dose that you still cannot drop your guard and/or do stupid stuff. The 1st shot does not confer instant protection. Actually, no vaccine does - they all take some time for your body to process and respond.

[MurphOnMillerAve]

Thanks, Rufus.

[rogruth]

Thanks to all of the above.

[rogruth]

This may be a little strange. I am 86, retired and at this time do nothing really useful for anybody except my wife.
I understand that I will be eligible for the vaccine soon. Now I don't have a death wish or want to die but wouldn't
it be better for someone with some purpose in their life to get this vaccine?

But who would decide who would be chosen? Hmmmm. Looks like too many problems.