Coronavirus:

[gregj410]

Excellent description. I wouldn't take exception to a word of it.

Well maybe this little part where he leads us to believe he’s so confident before he tells us his credentials and how smart he is.

Almost certainly

Just what I’d want to hear from my doctor. Almost certain you won’t die from this Mr Johnson.

[Neil]

It’s your choice. Maybe you’ll get lucky.

As for my credentials, they are what they are. I am reasonably smart but I never said anything about that and it’s not the point. Your take on that just reflects your own resentments is my guess.

[HONDO74]

. Nobody knew how bad things were going to get.

Including "WHO" the CDC and Dr Fauci. Along with a couple of idiots in New York by the name of Bill de Blasio and Andrew Cuomo


The death toll inside New York’s nursing homes is perhaps one of the most tragic facets of the coronavirus pandemic: More than 6,400 residents have died in the state’s nursing homes and long-term care facilities, representing more than one-tenth of the reported deaths in such facilities across the country.

At issue is a directive that Mr. Cuomo’s administration delivered in late March, effectively ordering nursing homes to accept coronavirus patients from hospitals.

[Neil]

Mistakes were made, no doubt. Starting with the idiot advice from the CDC that masks weren't necessary. From day one I told my staff that was total BS and fundamentally dishonest, however well intentioned. The CDC and WHO haven't exactly covered themselves in glory. Fauci has done a terrific job of trying to provide advice to people who don't want to be told what to do, including our moron President. Cuomo has done a pretty decent job overall. DeBlasio not so much.

Even experts cannot predict the future.

I don't notice you criticizing the murderer in chief for his policies and misbehavior, which contributed and are still contributing to more harm than Cuomo ever did. Or the governors of red states that still are fighting against recommending masks. Murdering ideologues and nincompoops all. Rather selective in your critique. If that idiot and fascist Trump had listened to Fauci and come out in favor of masks eight months ago, a lot of people's suffering would have been avoided and lives saved. But he's too selfish and stupid. Shows that a Penn education isn't a guarantee of not being a total ignoramus. I guess Greg is correct and that education isn't everything.

[E7]

I have no particular animosity to the average guy out there cooking on his (or gal on her) wok, but I don't trust they who are running the show all that much.

20 minutes if you have the time on why I wouldn’t trust China on anything related to Covid

https://youtu.be/iQmzHRCLnp0

That's why I made the comment at the top. Maybe somebody should send that video to Joe "They aren't BAD people" Biden

[gregj410]

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had listened to Fauci and come out in favor of masks

Yes Robert, now knock it off with your selective memory

[Neil]

Personally, I wouldn't sit next to someone I wasn't living with, unmasked, even outdoors at that point in the pandemic. I was shocked at that photo, but we don't know who the other guy is. The woman is, I believe, his wife. In any case there's a big difference between that picture and the President's repeated large, superspreader events and general White House stupidity.

If attacking Fauci makes you feel smart, have at it, but mostly it makes you seem like a sore loser having bet on the wrong horse. And then your horse comes by and stomps on your family as well. The virus is real. Election fraud is a demented fantasy. Republicans have it backwards .

[gregj410]

but we don't know who the other guy is.

What the **** does that have to do with anything?

You know Neil if you weren’t such a partisan hack I would actually take you more seriously. If I were a conservative or a republican under your medical care I would be apprehensive about the type of care you may or may not provide me. How can a person in the medical field be filled with so much vitriol and hate toward ANYONE regardless of whether they agree with your political views?

[Neil]

What the **** does that have to do with anything?

Because if the guy is his brother or brother-in-law and a regular part of his household, not wearing a mask while sitting next to him is reasonable.

You know Neil if you weren’t such a partisan hack I would actually take you more seriously. If I were a conservative or a republican under your medical care I would be apprehensive about the type of care you may or may not provide me. How can a person in the medical field be filled with so much vitriol and hate toward ANYONE regardless of whether they agree with your political views?

Quite simple. Our President is an evil man who has caused great harm to children, demonized those different from himself and made selfish decisions that have caused much suffering and death. And he's a fascist trying to undermine our social norms and democratic institutions. Not to mention sympathizing with the worst radical fringes of our society. So it's easy to despise him. Has nothing to do with his party. I respect many Republicans who have behaved honorably during this monster's presidency. But there aren't too many these days. It's not about politics. It's about human decency. Trump has none or little.

[robert.]

Personally, I wouldn't sit next to someone I wasn't living with, unmasked, even outdoors at that point in the pandemic. I was shocked at that photo, but we don't know who the other guy is. The woman is, I believe, his wife. In any case there's a big difference between that picture and the President's repeated large, superspreader events and general White House stupidity.

If attacking Fauci makes you feel smart, have at it, but mostly it makes you seem like a sore loser having bet on the wrong horse. And then your horse comes by and stomps on your family as well. The virus is real. Election fraud is a demented fantasy. Republicans have it backwards .

The dumb thing is Fauci knew he would be photographed. I'm sure he was probably tested every day. Whoever is with him was tested also. Why not sit with an empty seat between everyone ? Be a mensch. Why is Cuamo refusing a vaccine for NY? Like it or not this Virus has become a political war. In 2 years we will see a depression greater then early 30's

[Rufus T. Firefly]

Personally, I wouldn't sit next to someone I wasn't living with, unmasked, even outdoors at that point in the pandemic. I was shocked at that photo, but we don't know who the other guy is. The woman is, I believe, his wife. In any case there's a big difference between that picture and the President's repeated large, superspreader events and general White House stupidity.

If attacking Fauci makes you feel smart, have at it, but mostly it makes you seem like a sore loser having bet on the wrong horse. And then your horse comes by and stomps on your family as well. The virus is real. Election fraud is a demented fantasy. Republicans have it backwards .

The dumb thing is Fauci knew he would be photographed. I'm sure he was probably tested every day. Whoever is with him was tested also. Why not sit with an empty seat between everyone ? Be a mensch.

Seating is being grouped to include people that are comfortable with each other, families and close associates. Unfortunately far to many people would rather play gotcha games that take care of themselves and act responsibly. BTW, Nebraska reported that wearing masks cut the state's rate by 6%; states not warring them, not so good....and heading int he opposite direction. Folks that can't accept wearing a mask really have no understanding of disease transmission as it's been understood for the last century.

Why is Cuamo refusing a vaccine for NY? Like it or not this Virus has become a political war. In 2 years we will see a depression greater then early 30's

Huh? Last I heard Trump was going to withhold it from NY and any other state that did not agree with or vote for him. Cuomo can't refuse what is not available either. Just silly. Probably won't even be available this year for distribution at any level anyway, and we don't know what approval is being sought by Pfizer nor what approval may be granted by the FDA. Depression? Possible......economy was propped up on a house of cards for the past 3-4 years on consumers and little else. Job numbers were skewed by a high percentage of less than FTE employment and lots or 35 or less hour/week positions. Growth was paltry/anemic at best. Lots of manipulation of numbers and states to make it all look good but if you pause and look closely you can see it's been a sham.

[robert.]

"New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo says he doesn't trust the Trump administration to deliver a safe and effective COVID-19 vaccine because the approval process has become so politicized that its integrity can't be taken for granted"
There is a million quotes out there about this. going in both directions. hard to tell if any are real or taken out of context. Both these guys are clowns and have a political agenda in mind. Cuamo with his daily TV shows and trump with his nany nany boo boo.

[HONDO74]

I was wondering how they were going to pay for it.

Federal government says it will pay for any future coronavirus vaccine for all Americans
https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/28/health/c ... index.html

(CNN)The Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services said it will pay for any Covid-19 vaccine that is authorized or approved by the US Food and Drug Administration to allow for "broad vaccine access and coverage for all Americans."
The agency also announced it will help cover a larger portion of the cost of new Covid-19 treatments that may be coming down the pipeline for Medicare recipients.
"There are several vaccines in Phase 3 trials, production and distribution plans are well underway, and CMS is doing its part by laying the essential groundwork for coverage and payment when a vaccine does arise. It'll be widely available and accessible to seniors and every American," CMS administrator Seema Verma said during a briefing Wednesday.

"The rule removes any existing ambiguity surrounding Medicare's coverage of the Covid-19 vaccine and allows us to focus on the paramount goal of ensuring that all of Medicare's 62 million beneficiaries, including those enrolled in a Medicare Advantage plan, can receive the vaccine at their provider, their choice, again, at no cost," said Verma.

She estimated that if "literally every senior got immunized," it would cost "likely around $2.6 billion -- that's if everybody got vaccinated in the Medicare program."

[v8vega]

What the **** does that have to do with anything?

Because if the guy is his brother or brother-in-law and a regular part of his household, not wearing a mask while sitting next to him is reasonable.

You know Neil if you weren’t such a partisan hack I would actually take you more seriously. If I were a conservative or a republican under your medical care I would be apprehensive about the type of care you may or may not provide me. How can a person in the medical field be filled with so much vitriol and hate toward ANYONE regardless of whether they agree with your political views?

Quite simple. Our President is an evil man who has caused great harm to children, demonized those different from himself and made selfish decisions that have caused much suffering and death. And he's a fascist trying to undermine our social norms and democratic institutions. Not to mention sympathizing with the worst radical fringes of our society. So it's easy to despise him. Has nothing to do with his party. I respect many Republicans who have behaved honorably during this monster's presidency. But there aren't too many these days. It's not about politics. It's about human decency. Trump has none or little.

Stinky finger Biden didn't win. He the Democrats and the media stole the election, they had it all planned out and that's why they insisted on mail ballots. Truck loads of fake ballots delivered to counting places in the dead of night, all for Biden and nothing else marked. The media went on a massive campaign and are still at it to win the court of public opinion.

[Rufus T. Firefly]

I was wondering how they were going to pay for it.

Federal government says it will pay for any future coronavirus vaccine for all Americans
https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/28/health/c ... index.html

(CNN)The Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services said it will pay for any Covid-19 vaccine that is authorized or approved by the US Food and Drug Administration to allow for "broad vaccine access and coverage for all Americans."
The agency also announced it will help cover a larger portion of the cost of new Covid-19 treatments that may be coming down the pipeline for Medicare recipients.
"There are several vaccines in Phase 3 trials, production and distribution plans are well underway, and CMS is doing its part by laying the essential groundwork for coverage and payment when a vaccine does arise. It'll be widely available and accessible to seniors and every American," CMS administrator Seema Verma said during a briefing Wednesday.

"The rule removes any existing ambiguity surrounding Medicare's coverage of the Covid-19 vaccine and allows us to focus on the paramount goal of ensuring that all of Medicare's 62 million beneficiaries, including those enrolled in a Medicare Advantage plan, can receive the vaccine at their provider, their choice, again, at no cost," said Verma.

She estimated that if "literally every senior got immunized," it would cost "likely around $2.6 billion -- that's if everybody got vaccinated in the Medicare program."

Every senior....62 million beneficiaries...and is that defined as those over 65.5? What's it going to cost for everyone else????