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Re: Coronavirus:

Postby gregj410 » Sat Nov 21, 2020 6:40 am

E7 wrote:It intrigues me that (unless I missed it) nobody mentions the BIG C in these discussions. The origin of this whole effing mess would seem to rate an occasional nod from the stink tank. :mrgreen: What are they doing about it over there? Do they have a vaccine? If so would it be shared with the rest of the planet? There's something rotten in Denmark! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

What's the latest from that sage, Greta Thunberg? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:



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Postby chuck » Sat Nov 21, 2020 8:44 am

What are they doing about it over there?


They, and a large part of Asia, are wearing masks, social distancing, testing, doing contact tracing, washing their hands, .... Actually taking this seriously and acting accordingly.

Do they have a vaccine?


They are finishing trials on a vaccine developed in China. No idea what they will do if it is successful in terms of world wide distribution.

The epidemiologists that are tracing the disease in China have found out that the disease may have originated in bats but it also jumped to some other species (possibly the pangolin) before jumping to humans. The wet market is probably NOT the direct source of final jump to humans but may very well be the ground zero for human infections/spread, aka person zero was already infected before they went to the market and started the transmission chain.

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Re: Coronavirus:

Postby Rufus T. Firefly » Sat Nov 21, 2020 8:56 am

chuck wrote:
What are they doing about it over there?


They, and a large part of Asia, are wearing masks, social distancing, testing, doing contact tracing, washing their hands, .... Actually taking this seriously and acting accordingly.

Do they have a vaccine?


They are finishing trials on a vaccine developed in China. No idea what they will do if it is successful in terms of world wide distribution.


Pfizer, BioNTech and a China Pharma company have another mod-mRNA vaccine that was in a phase 2 trial last that I could track that one's progress. I'd have to think that this vaccine is at least as far along as the one that they are going to file here with the FDA for emergency use.


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Re: Coronavirus:

Postby gregj410 » Sat Nov 21, 2020 10:47 am

They, and a large part of Asia, are wearing masks


And more than likely they do and have most of the time prior to covid given the poor air quality and the unknown viruses that mysteriously originate in China at any given time. Hand washing, social distancing likely play a bigger part in slowing the spread than mask wearing.

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Re: Coronavirus:

Postby HONDO74 » Sat Nov 21, 2020 11:35 am

Who Is Most Likely to Die From Coronavirus, According to CDC
https://news.yahoo.com/lifestyle/most-l ... 51032.html

Since the first cases of COVID-19 were detected in Wuhan, China, in late December, medical experts have been attempting to decode the highly infectious and potentially deadly virus. One of the most curious aspects: it has the ability to completely ravage the bodies of some individuals, while others who are infected experience no symptoms at all.

Every week The US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention collects comprehensive data detailing exactly who is getting the virus—as well as who is most likely to die from it. Read on, and to ensure your health and the health of others, don't miss these Sure Signs You've Already Had Coronavirus.

In summary, older people, men, minorities and those with preexisting health conditions are the most likely to die from COVID-19, according to the CDC.

In total, since January 21 (when the first U.S. case was confirmed) there have been 11,465,722 new COVID-19 cases (165,087 new cases reported just yesterday) and 249,670 related deaths domestically (of which 1,836 were reported yesterday).

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Since the first cases of COVID-19 were detected in Wuhan, China, in late December, medical experts have been attempting to decode the highly infectious and potentially deadly virus. One of the most curious aspects: it has the ability to completely ravage the bodies of some individuals, while others who are infected experience no symptoms at all.

Every week The US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention collects comprehensive data detailing exactly who is getting the virus—as well as who is most likely to die from it. Read on, and to ensure your health and the health of others, don't miss these Sure Signs You've Already Had Coronavirus.

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Who is Dying From COVID-19?
Two professional doctors in blue medical uniform standing in front of each other in hospital corridor and looking thoughtful
Two professional doctors in blue medical uniform standing in front of each other in hospital corridor and looking thoughtful

In summary, older people, men, minorities and those with preexisting health conditions are the most likely to die from COVID-19, according to the CDC.

In total, since January 21 (when the first U.S. case was confirmed) there have been 11,465,722 new COVID-19 cases (165,087 new cases reported just yesterday) and 249,670 related deaths domestically (of which 1,836 were reported yesterday).

"Surveillance at all levels of government, and its continued modernization, is critical for monitoring COVID-19 trends and identifying groups at risk for infection and severe outcomes," the CDC explains. "These findings highlight the continued need for community mitigation strategies, especially for vulnerable populations, to slow COVID-19 transmission."

Even if people over 65+ count for only 14.6% of reported COVID cases, they count for a staggering 80% of COVID deaths. In comparison, young people between ages 18 and 29 count for a notable 23.8%—almost a quarter of cases—but only 0.5% deaths. In the light of this data, the CDC's dramatic warning against all Thanksgiving travel could be seen as an attempt to protect the most vulnerable group.

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Re: Coronavirus:

Postby Rufus T. Firefly » Sat Nov 21, 2020 11:49 am

HONDO74 wrote:Since the first cases of COVID-19 were detected in Wuhan, China, in late December, medical experts have been attempting to decode the highly infectious and potentially deadly virus.


Sequence and coding for it was published back in March/April; pretty sure I have a copy of that if you need help with insomnia.
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Re: Coronavirus:

Postby E7 » Sat Nov 21, 2020 12:14 pm

What I see when I go out, which is mostly to the grocery store, is all but the occasional odd person wear masks (and YES, I wear one :lol: :lol: :lol: !) Masks required is plainly marked on all entry doors, and most places in this area offer free masks if you don't have one.

I see the occasional person ALONE driving their car wearing a mask. DOH! I saw a woman walking her dog, nobody within 100 yards of her wearing a mask. DOH!

I have no particular animosity to the average guy out there cooking on his (or gal on her) wok, but I don't trust they who are running the show all that much.

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Re: Coronavirus:

Postby E7 » Sat Nov 21, 2020 12:31 pm

gregj410 wrote:
E7 wrote:
What's the latest from that sage, Greta Thunberg? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:



https://youtu.be/jSPpRB0j1dY



Greg, I LIKE it! We gotta get ol' Greta a more Gangsta name!

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Thunderberg?

Princess HOT Air?

:mrgreen: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Re: Coronavirus:

Postby gregj410 » Sat Nov 21, 2020 12:36 pm

I have no particular animosity to the average guy out there cooking on his (or gal on her) wok, but I don't trust they who are running the show all that much.


20 minutes if you have the time on why I wouldn’t trust China on anything related to Covid

https://youtu.be/iQmzHRCLnp0

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Re: Coronavirus:

Postby Neil » Sat Nov 21, 2020 7:33 pm

"Hand washing, social distancing likely play a bigger part in slowing the spread than mask wearing."

Almost certainly totally wrong. But then again, I only have a medical degree, three years of graduate school in virology, three years of residency and 42 years practicing medicine in a specialty where infectious disease was the main focus for about 50 years :).

By the way, it doesn't matter all that much how you put a mask on. In the OR, you put the mask on first. Then you wash your hands and arms. Then you have a nurse help you gown and put on gloves. All using sterile technique since you are not supposed to touch the mask or your face with your gloved hands. The masks are sterile to begin with and you only touch the strings/cords that hold it in place.

In the OR and while performing aseptic invasive procedures, the mask and the rest of the ritual is to the prevent transfer of bacteria to an open wound. Not viruses, which don't infect wounds. In the non-surgical world, you don't have to worry about open wounds. You just have to create a good barrier between your spit, snot and exhaled air and other people's nose, mouth and eyes, and a barrier between your nose and mouth (and eyes at times) and the spit, snot and exhaled air of others. It works damned well and the evidence is overwhelming that it works. Not perfectly, especially because most folks aren't as careful as they should be about covering their mouth AND nose. And fit.


Hope this helps. If you want to take care of yourself and people you care about, give up believing bullshit ideas from scientific and clinical nincompoops like those in your alt-right feed. The bottom 1% or less of physicians and scientists, like that fool Scott Atlas, and ideologues with no damned clue about what they are saying.
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Re: Coronavirus:

Postby Neil » Sat Nov 21, 2020 7:39 pm

And just for your education, if that moron and traitor of a president didn't get the treatment he received (and believe me, YOU wouldn't likely have received it), he stood a good chance of dying, since he's obese, sedentary, old and refuses to follow sensible advice if he doesn't feel like it. So that ******* then turns around and infects a bunch of Secret Service agents who didn't dare wear masks because the enfant terrible who masquerades as a leader refused to wear a mask when he was infectious. Scum of the earth.
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Re: Coronavirus:

Postby MurphOnMillerAve » Sat Nov 21, 2020 8:50 pm

Excellent description. I wouldn't take exception to a word of it.

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Re: Coronavirus:

Postby robert. » Sat Nov 21, 2020 9:23 pm

How come nobody handed out masks in nursing homes?
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Re: Coronavirus:

Postby chuck » Sat Nov 21, 2020 9:34 pm

How come nobody handed out masks in nursing homes?


Early on it was because of the shortage of masks. It was easier and safer to cut down on visitation/outside contact at least as far as spreading the virus. It was not easier in terms of explaining the situation to the occupants. We had to "visit" with my father-in-law through the window while standing in the bushes and talking to him on a cell phone. If the occupants had been isolated for more than 10-14 days they didn't need masks. The staff did. Situation was "difficult" at best.
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Re: Coronavirus:

Postby Neil » Sat Nov 21, 2020 9:36 pm

Combination of short supply and well intentioned but unwise decision making by those in charge. Nobody knew how bad things were going to get.
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