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Re: Freedom of Speech

Postby chuck » Wed Oct 28, 2020 2:15 pm

It's always "them", whomever "they are". Love the scene from the Mike Nichols "Catch 22" between Yossarian (young Alan Arkin) and Dobbs (very young Martin Sheen) about paranoia and persecution.
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Re: Freedom of Speech

Postby Rufus T. Firefly » Wed Oct 28, 2020 2:23 pm

That movie and the book have a lot to say. Too bad more people have not read it nor seen the movie.
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Re: Freedom of Speech

Postby rogruth » Wed Oct 28, 2020 2:29 pm

Rufus T. Firefly wrote:That movie and the book have a lot to say. Too bad more people have not read it nor seen the movie.

Did both when they first came out. I was really glad I read the book before seeing the movie. That was a l o n g time ago.
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Re: Freedom of Speech

Postby Rufus T. Firefly » Wed Oct 28, 2020 2:31 pm

rogruth wrote:
Rufus T. Firefly wrote:That movie and the book have a lot to say. Too bad more people have not read it nor seen the movie.

Did both when they first came out. I was really glad I read the book before seeing the movie. That was a l o n g time ago.


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Re: Freedom of Speech

Postby MurphOnMillerAve » Wed Oct 28, 2020 2:56 pm

All those well-expressed and intelligent facts and viewpoints expressed here do not change a thing. The Islamists have their goals. To theorize otherwise would be erroneous and naive , regardless of who the bad guys were in the past.

Islam's techniques are far more subtle , nowadays , however, becoming part of the electorate and part of the elected , and I suspect the USA is not the only society wherein that is patiently planned and happening.

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Re: Freedom of Speech

Postby Rufus T. Firefly » Wed Oct 28, 2020 3:15 pm

MurphOnMillerAve wrote:All those well-expressed and intelligent facts and viewpoints expressed here do not change a thing. The Islamists have their goals.


To assign that to all of Islam would be a poor decision, too.
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Re: Freedom of Speech

Postby up148 » Wed Oct 28, 2020 4:20 pm

To ignore it would be far worse. You can't pigeon hole any group of people in the world, but you can't ignore reality either.

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Re: Freedom of Speech

Postby Rufus T. Firefly » Wed Oct 28, 2020 5:42 pm

up148 wrote:To ignore it would be far worse. You can't pigeon hole any group of people in the world, but you can't ignore reality either.


Did not say ignore it. Just not to judge a billion people that you know nothing about. That would be an unprecedented height of arrogance and audacity.

BTW, we do a great job of ignoring many things that are possibly far more concerning..........like Iran restarting it's nuclear plant(s), like N. Korea, like the war in Syria, and probably a host of other threats to our nation's security. We're doing a pretty good job of ignoring and denying what might be the biggest health threat of this century......
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Re: Freedom of Speech

Postby gregj410 » Wed Oct 28, 2020 6:38 pm

ignoring and denying what might be the biggest health threat of this century......


Watching the news you’d think it was Trump with his handling of covid?

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Re: Freedom of Speech

Postby MurphOnMillerAve » Wed Oct 28, 2020 6:53 pm

Rufus T. Firefly wrote:
MurphOnMillerAve wrote:All those well-expressed and intelligent facts and viewpoints expressed here do not change a thing. The Islamists have their goals.


To assign that to all of Islam would be a poor decision, too.

An interesting distinction.

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Re: Freedom of Speech

Postby Rufus T. Firefly » Wed Oct 28, 2020 7:08 pm

gregj410 wrote:
ignoring and denying what might be the biggest health threat of this century......


Watching the news you’d think it was Trump with his handling of covid?


If you have to actually spend energy to think about this.........watch the news? Maybe the business news since money knows what's real.

No, all I have to do is check in with my professional colleagues around the world. I may be retired, but I'm still active, writing, and working as a consultant.
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Re: Freedom of Speech

Postby rogruth » Wed Oct 28, 2020 8:34 pm

Rufus,
Most of us are not able to do that. You may have information that is not available to all. I really don't know.
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Re: Freedom of Speech

Postby HONDO74 » Wed Oct 28, 2020 8:51 pm

rogruth wrote:Rufus,
Most of us are not able to do that. You may have information that is not available to all. I reall don't know.


Roger, some people think that trump is responsible for everything bad that has happened since the 16th century... :wink:

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Re: Freedom of Speech

Postby MurphOnMillerAve » Thu Oct 29, 2020 12:32 pm

In the News, today, Paris, France:
A woman was attacked inside Notre Dame cathedral and decapitated by a man using a large knife , calling out his (their) slogan of "Allahu Akbar."
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Re: Freedom of Speech

Postby HONDO74 » Thu Oct 29, 2020 12:38 pm

MurphOnMillerAve wrote:In the News, today, Paris, France:
A woman was attacked inside Notre Dame cathedral and decapitated by a man using a large knife , calling out his (their) slogan of "Aclu Akbar."


France attack: Three stabbed to death in 'Islamist terrorist attack'
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-54729957


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