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Re: Coronavirus:

Postby chuck » Wed Aug 12, 2020 8:29 am

Morning FreePress has a column by Mitch Albom re Big Ten Shutdown of athletic season.

Let’s get something straight. We are in a once-in-a-century war here. This isn’t some minor inconvenience. Coronavirus has already killed over 160,000 of our fellow-Americans, and that number will soon exceed 200,000 and beyond. It has devastated industries, laid waste to economies, caused undue hardships across the American landscape, from family owned businesses that are forever shuttered to loved ones who had to be buried alone and without ceremony.


Remember, the players aren’t being expelled. The coaches aren’t losing their paychecks. The games aren’t even forever canceled, just postponed. They may even be played in the spring. Eligibility will be retained. The 2% of players who will be drafted to the NFL will still get that chance, albeit maybe a year later.

Meanwhile the other 98% can still get their education, can play next spring or fall, and, most importantly, not risk their health for a game.

Which is what this is all about, isn’t it?

Risking kids’ health?


“These are not professionals. There are amateurs and should participate in a healthy and safe manner."

Re-read that last part. It’s the reason college football must cancel while the NFL can keep trying to wiggle out a season. NFL players are part of a union. They accept paychecks in exchange for acceptable risks to which they collectively agree to.


The last thing these conferences wanted, with COVID-19 looming like the grim reaper, was a showdown with players over who has the right to make them risk their organs. The well-chronicled story of Indiana offensive lineman Brady Feeney, who contracted the virus, reportedly went through hell, and now, according to his mother, is suffering potential heart issues, no doubt weighed heavily in this decision.

“Even if your son’s schools do everything right to protect them, they CAN’T PROTECT THEM!!” Feeney’s mother tweeted out. And she’s one mother among thousands of potential mothers.

The Big Ten doesn’t want to tangle with that army.


Because it is just that: a game. If one player — one player — died from the virus that he contracted through his team, the sport could never forgive itself. And yes, young men between 18 and 22 have died from COVID-19.


We’ve heard the arguments from coaches who claim their players are safer in a football cocoon than elsewhere. But so what? Nick Saban told ESPN:

"Our guys aren't going to catch (the virus) on the football field. They're going to catch it on campus. The argument then should probably be, 'We shouldn't be having school.' That's the argument. Why is it, 'We shouldn't be playing football?' Why has that become the argument?"

This reveals the hubris of powerful college football coaches, who honestly think their team is the raison d’etre for the school’s existence, not the other way around.

First of all, no one knows if players are going to catch the virus playing football, because no one has tried it yet. Tackling, huddling, lining up helmet to helmet for three hours, showering, riding buses and airplanes together, all seem like pretty risky activities in COVID-19 time.

And the argument of maybe “We shouldn’t be having school” is going on every day in this country. But Nick should know that if there’s no school, there’s sure as heck is no way you play football. The whole premise here, even if you scoff at it, is that the players are students first, athletes second. You can’t ask them to risk on a field what they’re not being asked to risk in a classroom. That’s not just morally wrong, it’s got potential lawsuit written all over it.


This was the right call, folks, even if it’s not fun and not popular. Football coaches punt when they have one yard to go; they do it because it’s the safer thing to do. They go for field goals when it’s fourth-and-goal; they do it because it’s the safer thing to do. Surely they can understand then, that on a day when America saw 50,000 new cases, and over 1,300 fresh deaths, college football games being postponed is another victim of the awful time we are living in. But it’s the safer thing to do. Nobody died. That’s the good news. Is it fun? Well. What in the coronavirus world is?


Full column is here

https://www.freep.com/story/sports/columnists/mitch-albom/2020/08/12/big-ten-football-mitch-albom/3350980001/?utm_source=freep-Daily%20Briefing&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=daily_briefing&utm_term=hero
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Re: Coronavirus:

Postby Rufus T. Firefly » Wed Aug 12, 2020 9:18 am

Meanwhile the other 98% can still get their education, can play next spring or fall, and, most importantly, not risk their health for a game.

Which is what this is all about, isn’t it?


Novel thought........go to school to get an education......unlike Trevor Lawrence who has stated that playing football is why he's at college.....
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Re: Coronavirus:

Postby robert. » Wed Aug 12, 2020 10:12 am

Many Philadelphia public league coaches are worried. Last year they lost 13 football players to gun violence. This year to date philly has 107 under 18 fatalities. They will continue to mentor and teach life and football skills. Either at there house or on a public field. Its not about a game anymore its about keeping them alive.
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Re: Coronavirus:

Postby chuck » Wed Aug 12, 2020 10:19 am

One of the other conferences wants to talk to the Big 10 and Pac 12 to find out how they arrived at their decision. Really, really!

Teams that allowed student athletes to gather for practice have already had COVID 19 outbreaks.

How f'ing stupid are these people. 5 million+ identified infections, 165,000 dead. The mechanisms of the disease are finally being identified and in many ways it is worse than originally thought. Potential wide spread organ damage. Children and young adults are not immune.

What are they going to "discuss"?

Robert posted

Its not about a game anymore its about keeping them alive.


Wow! A degree of sanity. Any of those coaches go by the name of Diogenes?
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Re: Coronavirus:

Postby robert. » Wed Aug 12, 2020 10:47 am

No. Only a coach Pyrrho.
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Re: Coronavirus:

Postby Rufus T. Firefly » Wed Aug 12, 2020 11:42 am

chuck wrote:How f'ing stupid are these people.


These are people motivated solely by money and nothing else. You have to keep in mind that in ~40 states that the highest paid public employee is the state U. football coach.
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Re: Coronavirus:

Postby robert. » Wed Aug 12, 2020 12:45 pm

Many college coaches earn more in shoe endorsements.
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Re: Coronavirus:

Postby HONDO74 » Wed Aug 12, 2020 9:27 pm

Will this work ??

Companies test antibody drugs to treat, prevent COVID-19
https://www.ky3.com/2020/08/12/companie ... -covid-19/

(AP) - With a coronavirus vaccine still months off, companies are rushing to test what may be the next best thing: drugs that deliver antibodies to fight the virus right away, without having to train the immune system to make them.

Antibodies are proteins the body makes when an infection occurs; they attach to a virus and help it be eliminated. Vaccines work by tricking the body into thinking there’s an infection so it makes antibodies and remembers how to do that if the real bug turns up.

But it can take a month or two after vaccination or infection for the most effective antibodies to form. The experimental drugs shortcut that process by giving concentrated versions of specific ones that worked best against the coronavirus in lab and animal tests.

“A vaccine takes time to work, to force the development of antibodies. But when you give an antibody, you get immediate protection,” said University of North Carolina virologist Dr. Myron Cohen. “If we can generate them in large concentrations, in big vats in an antibody factory ... we can kind of bypass the immune system.”

These drugs, given through an IV, are believed to last for a month or more. They could give quick, temporary immunity to people at high risk of infection, such as health workers and housemates of someone with COVID-19. If they proved effective and if a vaccine doesn't materialize or protect as hoped, the drugs might eventually be considered for wider use, perhaps for teachers or other groups.

They’re also being tested as treatments, to help the immune system and prevent severe symptoms or death.

“The hope there is to target people who are in the first week of their illness and that we can treat them with the antibody and prevent them from getting sick,” said Dr. Marshall Lyon, an infectious disease specialist helping to test one such drug at Emory University in Atlanta.

Having such a tool “would be a really momentous thing in our fight against COVID,” Cohen said.

Vaccines are seen as a key to controlling the virus, which has been confirmed to have infected more than 20 million people worldwide and killed more than 738,000. Several companies are racing to develop vaccines, but the results of the large final tests needed to evaluate them are months away. Russia on Tuesday approved a vaccine that hasn't undergone such a test, sparking international concern that it was cutting corners.

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Re: Coronavirus:

Postby robert. » Fri Aug 14, 2020 7:01 am

NCAA will lose 4 billion in revenue at this point. If more universities opt out of football that price will climb. Penn state will lose $62. million. Most of these schools do not have a force majeure contract with coaches. Coaches will be paid their millions
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Re: Coronavirus:

Postby Rufus T. Firefly » Fri Aug 14, 2020 7:37 am

HONDO74 wrote:Will this work ??

Companies test antibody drugs to treat, prevent COVID-19
https://www.ky3.com/2020/08/12/companie ... -covid-19/


I've lost track of how many antibody companies are working on creating and getting into clinical trials interdicting antibodies, etc.

Hardly a new technology. What is impressive is the actual speed that they are doing what used to take years to move from the bench to scaled up production to clinical evaluation.
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Re: Coronavirus:

Postby Rufus T. Firefly » Fri Aug 14, 2020 7:38 am

robert. wrote:NCAA will lose 4 billion in revenue at this point. If more universities opt out of football that price will climb. Penn state will lose $62. million. Most of these schools do not have a force majeure contract with coaches. Coaches will be paid their millions


If the coaches had a brain in their heads, they'd be donating that money if only to use the action as a PR action.
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Re: Coronavirus:

Postby robert. » Fri Aug 14, 2020 7:46 am

I would think some will. Some will say “i coached this team for 32 weeks in 2020. I will donate 20 weeks of salary “
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Re: Coronavirus:

Postby Rufus T. Firefly » Fri Aug 14, 2020 7:59 am

robert. wrote:I would think some will. Some will say “i coached this team for 32 weeks in 2020. I will donate 20 weeks of salary “


The optics on this would greatly improve were they all to get together and make a real gesture of the action.
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Re: Coronavirus:

Postby chuck » Fri Aug 14, 2020 8:32 am

Hardly a new technology. What is impressive is the actual speed that they are doing what used to take years to move from the bench to scaled up production to clinical evaluation.


Tools and technology as well as a better understanding of the underlying mechanisms has lead to a lot of "short cuts". Advances in computer technology and signal processing/imaging makes a big difference. There are also a lot more engineers working in the field and lending their expertise.

We found that an undergrad engineering degree in chemical or biomedical engineering with a few tweaks was a good path to medical school. The MD's produced were good analysts but I've often wondered about the potential quandary of "do no harm" vrs. "this isn't working we need to try something else". The later works well in research. Not too sure about clinical work.
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Re: Coronavirus:

Postby Rufus T. Firefly » Fri Aug 14, 2020 8:45 am

chuck wrote:
Hardly a new technology. What is impressive is the actual speed that they are doing what used to take years to move from the bench to scaled up production to clinical evaluation.


Tools and technology as well as a better understanding of the underlying mechanisms has lead to a lot of "short cuts". Advances in computer technology and signal processing/imaging makes a big difference. There are also a lot more engineers working in the field and lending their expertise.


Yes, biochem engineers were programs started back in the early 80s......

We found that an undergrad engineering degree in chemical or biomedical engineering with a few tweaks was a good path to medical school. The MD's produced were good analysts but I've often wondered about the potential quandary of "do no harm" vrs. "this isn't working we need to try something else". The later works well in research. Not too sure about clinical work.


Actually, it works fairly well. The earlier one recognizes a dead end pathway, the better for all. The issue becomes problematic when there are suits involved that have decided that that pathway shall be followed regardless of outcome primarily due to the cost of backing up being prohibitive in the short term. Long term, backing up is generally the correct action.

I spent most of my career working with antibodies and the development of antibody drugs...... It's usually a very slow methodical process. Taking something from the lab to the clinic trial stage generally takes years. Last clinical trial out of my lab to a lot of years......
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