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Postby Rufus T. Firefly » Sun Aug 02, 2020 4:17 pm

chuck wrote:I wish you'd all stop comparing him to an orangutan.

It isn't fair,

to real orangutans!

These are highly social, intelligent, sensitive/empathetic creatures.

The only thing they have in common with the moron-in-chief is their orange color and wild hair.


All too true; they are probably better mannered as well.
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Re: Coronavirus:

Postby Rufus T. Firefly » Sun Aug 02, 2020 4:25 pm

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Coke OTOH dug themselves into a bit of pit by lacking the diversification needed that their competition embraced.


And is this what happens when you're so large, increased growth of sales/market share are just impossible to achieve year over year. I feel sorry for none of the big corporations, most have had their way too long and maybe now will have to pay the piper....just like all us little guys.


Actually Coke was fine until the pandemic hit and was then shown to be 1 dimensional company - all eggs in 1 basket.

Knowing none of the repercussions or giving it real serious thought, I would love to see government break up the big 4 who've been in the hot seat with congress (Amazon, Apple, Twitter & Google) like what happened to the industrial and railroad barons of the late 1800's. But, I really don't see that happening in our world today. They busted up Ma Bell in the early 80's, so what's difference. These companies have way too much power that influences our daily lives and they're using it in ways that shouldn't be allowed. Absolute power does corrupt IMHO.


Funny thing is that they have all done exactly what just a few months ago was being touted as so important - they have all succeeded at capitalism and now you see what happens when a company succeeds to well - now they are viewed as being too powerful, etc. I would not put Twitter in the group though - nowhere near the stature of the others. Amazon however is the #2 private employer in the US. They have completely diversified from once was a glorified online book store by plowing almost all of the profits back into the company - wait, exactly what trickle down economics praises and demands. Apple is something of a cult........ Google is also playing the capitalism game too successfully. The irony here is hilarious - let's take our country's top success stories at capitalism and apply socialist corrections to them to control them.
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Re: Coronavirus:

Postby robert. » Sun Aug 02, 2020 5:20 pm

chuck wrote:I wish you'd all stop comparing him to an orangutan.

It isn't fair,

to real orangutans!

These are highly social, intelligent, sensitive/empathetic creatures.

The only thing they have in common with the moron-in-chief is their orange color and wild hair.

orangutans usually sit with their arms crossed. Just like the commander in tweets
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Re: Coronavirus:

Postby HONDO74 » Sun Aug 02, 2020 5:37 pm

Rufus T. Firefly wrote: Amazon however is the #2 private employer in the US. They have completely diversified from once was a glorified online book store by plowing almost all of the profits back into the company - wait, exactly what trickle down economics praises and demands. Apple is something of a cult........ Google is also playing the capitalism game too successfully. The irony here is hilarious - let's take our country's top success stories at capitalism and apply socialist corrections to them to control them.


Who are the socialist that want to do this. Liberal democrats maybe ?????

But at Wednesday’s hearing featuring Amazon CEO Jeff Bezos, Apple CEO Tim Cook, Facebook’s Zuckerberg and Sundar Pichai, CEO of Google parent company Alphabet, many lawmakers focused their questions on the 1.3 million pieces of evidence the House Judiciary subcommittee on antitrust has collected in the past year of its antitrust probe.

The Chairman of the House Judiciary Committee, Congressman Nadler served as Chairman or Ranking Member of its Subcommittee.

I seem to recall back during the beginning of the primaries that Warren and Sanders wanted to break up the big techs ?
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Re: Coronavirus:

Postby chuck » Sun Aug 02, 2020 5:39 pm

orangutans usually sit with their arms crossed. Just like the commander in tweets


He only does it when he isn't getting his way.

I keep waiting for him to "hold his breath until he turns blue" which would be an interesting color combination. Since he also shades over from orange to red when he does the "arms crossed chin stuck out pose" maybe he will look purple?
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Postby MurphOnMillerAve » Sun Aug 02, 2020 5:42 pm

I keep waiting for his hair to get cut/trimmed.

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Re: Coronavirus:

Postby healey36 » Sun Aug 02, 2020 5:43 pm

chuck wrote:I wish you'd all stop comparing him to an orangutan.

It isn't fair,

to real orangutans!

These are highly social, intelligent, sensitive/empathetic creatures.

The only thing they have in common with the moron-in-chief is their orange color and wild hair.

My apologies to the genus Pongo.

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Re: Coronavirus:

Postby Rufus T. Firefly » Sun Aug 02, 2020 6:01 pm

HONDO74 wrote:
Rufus T. Firefly wrote: Amazon however is the #2 private employer in the US. They have completely diversified from once was a glorified online book store by plowing almost all of the profits back into the company - wait, exactly what trickle down economics praises and demands. Apple is something of a cult........ Google is also playing the capitalism game too successfully. The irony here is hilarious - let's take our country's top success stories at capitalism and apply socialist corrections to them to control them.


Who are the socialist that want to do this. Liberal democrats maybe ?????

But at Wednesday’s hearing featuring Amazon CEO Jeff Bezos, Apple CEO Tim Cook, Facebook’s Zuckerberg and Sundar Pichai, CEO of Google parent company Alphabet, many lawmakers focused their questions on the 1.3 million pieces of evidence the House Judiciary subcommittee on antitrust has collected in the past year of its antitrust probe.

The Chairman of the House Judiciary Committee, Congressman Nadler served as Chairman or Ranking Member of its Subcommittee.

I seem to recall back during the beginning of the primaries that Warren and Sanders wanted to break up the big techs ?


It's both sides of the aisle up in arms over Google and Facebook. More Dems than Repubes on the rest, but by no means is it one sided at all.

I watched the hearings - an amazing display of naivete, ignorance, and some flat out stupidity. Capitalism is a Darwinian system an the strong survive and the weak either fail or get consumed. Hilarious that they can't wrap their minds about and comprehend what comes out of their own mouths

Save Capitalism!!!!! Unless you are too successful...............and then it's burn at the stake time.
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Re: Coronavirus:

Postby chuck » Sun Aug 02, 2020 6:02 pm

I keep waiting for his hair to get cut/trimmed.


No, you really don't. It's the worst comb over on the planet. He should have gone with the old Dick Van Dyke show's Alan Brady (Carl Reiner) toupee's.
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Re: Coronavirus:

Postby HONDO74 » Sun Aug 02, 2020 6:34 pm

Rufus T. Firefly wrote:
I watched the hearings - an amazing display of naivete, ignorance, and some flat out stupidity. Capitalism is a Darwinian system an the strong survive and the weak either fail or get consumed. Hilarious that they can't wrap their minds about and comprehend what comes out of their own mouths

Save Capitalism!!!!! Unless you are too successful...............and then it's burn at the stake time.


Interesting how China embraced Capitalism and within 25 years they became our equal economically and will surpass us in the near future. And them we have thousands of people from around the world that want into this country so they can share in the American Dream....Capitalism. And many migrants do and become wealthy in the process.

But then we have progressives that want to destroy Capitalism. I wonder who they expect to support their socialism in the future. :lol:

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Re: Coronavirus:

Postby Rufus T. Firefly » Sun Aug 02, 2020 7:17 pm

HONDO74 wrote:
Rufus T. Firefly wrote:
I watched the hearings - an amazing display of naivete, ignorance, and some flat out stupidity. Capitalism is a Darwinian system an the strong survive and the weak either fail or get consumed. Hilarious that they can't wrap their minds about and comprehend what comes out of their own mouths

Save Capitalism!!!!! Unless you are too successful...............and then it's burn at the stake time.


Interesting how China embraced Capitalism and within 25 years they became our equal economically and will surpass us in the near future.


Well, yes & no. The Gov't still owns everything and as long as you play nice and they get their cut, it's still a pale brand of capitalism.

And them we have thousands of people from around the world that want into this country so they can share in the American Dream....Capitalism. And many migrants do and become wealthy in the process.


And then are all the ones that go home that get ignored in all the ruckis over immigration; get ahead here, get education, and then go home and make money. Had a couple in my research group that did just that - no interest in staying here - could get paid the same at home and start own companies and make money faster and easier at home.

But then we have progressives that want to destroy Capitalism. I wonder who they expect to support their socialism in the future. :lol:


Funny. Bail out Wall St. for a few billion, not socialism, bail out the insurance companies for a few billion, not socialism, bail out gas and oil companies for billions, not socialism, bail out farmers for billions, not socialism, bail out the airlines and cruise lines for billions, not socialism......but spend money on health care, wages, and try to support the middle class and lower - Socialism! Very selective definition of capitalism vs. socialism in this country that leads me really believe that very few really have much of an understanding of either.
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Re: Coronavirus:

Postby robert. » Sun Aug 02, 2020 8:17 pm

National health coverage would limit dr. Fees. Airlines can charge whatever the like(extin an emergency). Farmers can pretty much set their own prices(except milk). Mortgage companies whatever they can get away with. So goes for wall street whatever they can get away with. Doctors And hospitals are the reason we don’t have national health coverage.(although you can walk into any hospital by me and get fixed up)
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Re: Coronavirus:

Postby HONDO74 » Sun Aug 02, 2020 8:26 pm

Rufus T. Firefly wrote:Funny. Bail out Wall St. for a few billion, not socialism, bail out the insurance companies for a few billion, not socialism, bail out gas and oil companies for billions, not socialism, bail out farmers for billions, not socialism, bail out the airlines and cruise lines for billions, not socialism......but spend money on health care, wages, and try to support the middle class and lower - Socialism! Very selective definition of capitalism vs. socialism in this country that leads me really believe that very few really have much of an understanding of either.


Didn't all that bailout take place in Obama's first term. I thought he said they just loaned the money to those companies and they would pay it back ? Did they not pay it back ??. Wasn't GM one of the biggest that was saved. They didn't want GM going into bankruptcy because that would have screwed the unions. It would have voided their contract. Have to save those unions that contribute to the democrats.

So if you loan money to a company to save them and all the employees and they pay it back, is that socialism or capitalism ??

Back in the 80s when Reagan saved Chrysler they paid the money back with interest ahead of schedule.

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Re: Coronavirus:

Postby Rufus T. Firefly » Sun Aug 02, 2020 8:53 pm

HONDO74 wrote:
Rufus T. Firefly wrote:Funny. Bail out Wall St. for a few billion, not socialism, bail out the insurance companies for a few billion, not socialism, bail out gas and oil companies for billions, not socialism, bail out farmers for billions, not socialism, bail out the airlines and cruise lines for billions, not socialism......but spend money on health care, wages, and try to support the middle class and lower - Socialism! Very selective definition of capitalism vs. socialism in this country that leads me really believe that very few really have much of an understanding of either.


Didn't all that bailout take place in Obama's first term.


No. Only the Wall St.....the 1st time. Rest has been going on since last year.

I thought he said they just loaned the money to those companies and they would pay it back ? Did they not pay it back ??. Wasn't GM one of the biggest that was saved. They didn't want GM going into bankruptcy because that would have screwed the unions. It would have voided their contract. Have to save those unions that contribute to the democrats.


They did and early. And then they voted for Trump.......and all the jobs that left the country came back to the US..........right.

So if you loan money to a company to save them and all the employees and they pay it back, is that socialism or capitalism ??


Ask the banks - they made money on it, and if they had not paid it back, the Gov't would have owned GM. Real capitalism would have left them die or taken ownership of them.

Back in the 80s when Reagan saved Chrysler they paid the money back with interest ahead of schedule.


Another waste of good money; make cars no one wanted, crash and burn, and then get bailed out. Real capitalism would have left them die.
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Re: Coronavirus:

Postby robert. » Sun Aug 02, 2020 8:56 pm

I believe it was bush in 2008 that gave out the TARP bailout. I could be wrong but i think Obama cut the handout in half. A year or two into it. He cut it from 750 mil. down to less then 500 mil.
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