Hobo Jungle

[Tramp]

But Moses was SO upset by the reception that the true commandments from God received, that he shattered the tablet. Those in the bible were not the same as God spoke them. They were "FIXED" by man and they are FALSE.

If you think that not one man writing down the words of God changed them to suit man, then you know nothing of the DEVIL in man.

[Tramp]

And, Wayne, I have had lightning strike VERY close to me. I was unafraid. Fear is for those who follow SATAN. Not for those who know God.

[webenda]

But Moses was SO upset by the reception that the true commandments from God received, that he shattered the tablet.

OK, one at a time.

The Israelites did not have a chance to see and respond to the ten words (or commandments.) It was the golden calf that he found them worshiping when he came down from Mount Sinai that enraged Moses.

Exodus 32:19-20
19 As soon as Moses got near the camp and saw the calf and the dances, his anger began to blaze, and he threw the tablets from his hands and shattered them at the foot of the mountain.+ 20 He took the calf that they had made and he burned it with fire and crushed it into powder; then he scattered it on the water and made the Israelites drink it.

[webenda]

Moses found the Israelites worshiping an image of a calf.
The first commandment, as recorded by Moses, is:
1) You must not have any other gods besides me.


How do you feel about that Tramp?
Did Moses change the 1st commandment from
1) Money should never be your God. God is only love.
to
1) You must not have any other gods besides me.

Is it OK for us to make images of animals and worship them?

Edit 1: Replaced line lost during pre-post editing.

[Tramp]

A golden calf is obviously money.

[Tramp]

My version seems WAY clearer. Your version seems rather self-righteous and pedantic.

[Tramp]

ME ME ME and God do not mix. It sounds wrong right off the start.

[Tramp]

It is like God is stamping his foot. "YOU MUST." Sounds very unlike God.

[webenda]

It is like God is stamping his foot. "YOU MUST." Sounds very unlike God.

Wayne, how are you? You ended our very interesting religious conversation after I sent you the 10 commandments as I heard them from God. Why?

Tramp, they are commandments, not suggestions.
"You must..." and "Do not..." are forms of command.
"You should..." is the form of a suggestion.

[MurphOnMillerAve]

Tramp, I've often thought it would be interesting to hear much further about your vagabond travels aboard RR boxcars, across (throughout?) the USA. I've seen such things mimicked in movies, but never really knew anybody who actually did it.

Would you share some of those experiences and observations with us, here, in some depth?
Murph

[Tramp]

Murph, my novel HOLED UP was recently published. It is FULL of what happened to me during my hobo years. Please buy a copy on Amazon and read it. I'm sure it will satisfy your curiosity.

[Tramp]

Wayne, man commands. The devil commands. God certainly does not need to command. If you have ever TRULY felt God's love you would understand this. People ask why does God lets young children suffer and die? But it is not God. The devil controls all illnesses, which is why prayer is USELESS for illness and the sick. Although if asked in the correct way, God can cure you of any illness. This I know for a fact. But it is not as easy as it sounds.

[webenda]

Wayne, man commands.

True

Man has dominated man to to his harm.
--ECCLESIASTES 8:9.

The devil commands.

False

The devil misleads with lies, not commands. The first lie, the devil speaking through a serpent:
Genesis 3:1-4
Now the serpent was the most cautious* of all the wild animals of the field that Jehovah God had made. So it said to the woman: “Did God really say that you must not eat from every tree of the garden?” 2 At this the woman said to the serpent: “We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden. 3 But God has said about the fruit of the tree that is in the middle of the garden:d ‘You must not eat from it, no, you must not touch it; otherwise you will die.’” 4 At this the serpent said to the woman: “You certainly will not die. 5 For God knows that in the very day you eat from it, your eyes will be opened and you will be like God, knowing good and bad.”

Adam and Eve are dead. God did not lie.

Romans 5:12
12 That is why, just as through one man sin entered into the world and death through sin, and so death spread to all men because they had all sinned.

God certainly does not need to command.

True

English translations of God's word that we received through Moses often use the word Shall (or Shalt in old English.) I think that is equivalent to Should.

The Ten Commandments are part of a legal covenant God gave us called The Mosaic Law or just The Law Covenant.

Should and Shall no longer carry the emphasis on a legal obligation that they once did.

Here's what law and policy say about "shall, will, may, and must." We call "must" and "must not" words of obligation. "Must" is the only word that imposes a legal obligation on your readers to tell them something is mandatory. Also, "must not" are the only words you can use to say something is prohibited.

Newer translations are in tune with with modern understanding of the words.

Reference:

The Federal Register Document Drafting Handbook (Section 3) states "Use ‘must’ instead of ‘shall’ to impose a legal obligation on your reader."

The Federal Plain Language Guidelines (page 25) (PDF) referred to in the Federal Plain Writing Act of 2010, every federal department to "use ‘must,’ not ‘shall’" to indicate requirements.

FAA Writing Standards, order 1000.36, (page 4) says avoid the word "shall" and use "must" to impose requirements, including contracts.

If you have ever TRULY felt God's love you would understand this.

True

People ask why does God lets young children suffer and die? But it is not God. The devil controls all illnesses, which is why prayer is USELESS for illness and the sick.

True.

It was not God who made Job sick.

Although if asked in the correct way, God can cure you of any illness.

True

Matthew 7:7
7 “Keep on asking, and it will be given you; keep on seeking, and you will find; keep on knocking, and it will be opened to you;

This I know for a fact. But it is not as easy as it sounds.

True

You are living proof of that.

[webenda]

If you think that not one man writing down the words of God changed them to suit man, then you know nothing of the DEVIL in man.

I know well how man has changed God's word to suit his own desires.

The concept of the Trinity is an example. It is not in God's word, the Bible.

The Catholic Encyclopedia states, "In Scripture there is as yet no single term by which the Three Divine Persons are denoted together."
https://www.newadvent.org/cathen/15047a.htm

Around 300 CE there was a lot of fighting over ideas about God, Jesus and the Holy spirit. It took Emperor Constantine to step in and make peace. In 325 CE a council of bishops convened by the Emperor Constantine (ca. 280–337) decreed that the Father, the Son and the Holy spirit were homoousios (same substance or essence).

I can just imagine Constantine thinking, "There, they are all the same. Now we can have peace in the realm."

[Tramp]

CORRECT! I should have written, The devil existing through (in) man commands.