Coronavirus:

[HONDO74]

Seriously? The N.Y. Times clearly reported that the initial violence was likely spiked by white folk. Anarchists, white supremacy zealots and anti-fascists using the occasion for their own purposes unrelated to the protests. Unfortunately some of the protesters chose to join in with these scum .

The NY times is as far left liberal as on e can get. Just more liberal deflection trying to blame someone else for the mess they have created.

[Neil]

Well if you consider FOX news reliable I feel sorry for you. We have photos of the white folk who initiated property destruction and attacks on police here and elsewhere. If you don’t think right wing and left wing white provocateurs are playing a role in these riots you are living in fantasy land. Timothy McVeigh was not a liberal.

[Neil]

Where is our President during this crisis?

[robert.]

Where is our President during this crisis?

Its ok to hate the guy. I gives many people a reason to. This one is not on him. National guard is deployed in many cities. One news rport claims he was ushered into a bunker. I dont know if that is fake news or not.

[Neil]

Would think he would be visible and leading. Tweeting doesn’t cut it, especially divisive and nonsense tweets.

[HONDO74]

Where is our President during this crisis?

Its ok to hate the guy. I gives many people a reason to. This one is not on him. National guard is deployed in many cities. One news rport claims he was ushered into a bunker. I dont know if that is fake news or not.

The White House has been under siege for the last 2 days. The secret service made him go to the bunker. He had no choice since the secret service has the responsibility to protect the president. They would do the same thing if Obama was the president.

[HONDO74]

Well if you consider FOX news reliable I feel sorry for you. We have photos of the white folk who initiated property destruction and attacks on police here and elsewhere. If you don’t think right wing and left wing white provocateurs are playing a role in these riots you are living in fantasy land. Timothy McVeigh was not a liberal.

Yes Neil. I have seen these same white boys in Portland Or and Berkley Ca.

I hardly ever watch TV but I did last night. Saw a lot of white boys wearing face mask doing damage . I have seen them before. They call themselves antifa. A movement in the United States is a left-wing, anti-fascist, militant political activist movement that comprises autonomous activist groups that aim to achieve their political objectives through the use of direct action rather than through policy reform. Activists engage in varied protest tactics, including digital activism, property damage and physical violence, and harassment against those whom they identify as fascist,

They are sponsored by George Soros

[Neil]

Soros? Doubt it very much.

[Neil]

The anti-fa are as fascist as the white supremacy groups. Soros is as anti fascist (as in Roosevelt and Churchill) as they come.

[Rufus T. Firefly]

They are sponsored by George Soros

Possibly the most ludicrous statement I've read here in years.

Might be interesting to know how you really know that to be true -- could make interesting entertainment in a courtroom.

As for Fox, quite possibly the best propaganda operation that Rupert ever could have envisioned. OTOH, their business news network is actually pretty good.

[HONDO74]

The anti-fa are as fascist as the white supremacy groups. Soros is as anti fascist (as in Roosevelt and Churchill) as they come.

Neil. You can do a lot better than this. You are putting up a very weak argument for what is going on out there presently.

Tell me how looting and burning down businesses in your community putting more of your own people out of work will accomplish anything They are going after the wrong people. They should be all over the mayor and city council.( The powers that be )

[HONDO74]

As for Fox, quite possibly the best propaganda operation that Rupert ever could have envisioned. OTOH, their business news network is actually pretty good.

Where did you see me defending Fox about anything. That was Neil saying that I was watching fox. It doesn't matter. All of the news is now propaganda.

Last night I was seeing what was going on from all the Lamestream media. Also reading and seeing it from the BBC since they are also protesting in England.

[Neil]

Locally, the protestors (mostly black) were peaceful. After the rally disbanded, small groups of white men, some wearing anti-fa t-shirts and some wearing pro-Trump regalia, started bashing cars and setting fires, breaking windows. The local community (mostly black) then joined in looting. Very different from the 1960s, where the police essentially murdered black radicals with impunity and the people carrying guns (other than police) were black and acting in self-defense.

One way or the other, the weird fringe of society (Weather Underground, Symbionese Liberation Army, etc back in the 1960s; anti-fa, white supremacists now) are the problem in terms of violence. Police over-reaction (such as that which has understandably led to the Black Lives Matter movement, which is in general, peaceful) hasn't helped. Neither has the stress and tragedy of the pandemic.

But the problem isn't the poor and disenfranchised. It's residual racism and the fringe lunatics in our society. You can allow peaceful protest (as our police did) and still arrest looters and violent offenders. That's what happened here. No gun shots were fired by police, no rubber bullets in defense of property. Still being sorted out. But there aren't good people on both sides here, as our idiot president said about Charlottesville. No good people carry weapons into state capitols, run down demonstrators, or destroy innocent merchant's property. No good people carry Nazi regalia or Confederate flags to public demonstrations.

The Southern cause was slavery, pure and simple, not some version of Camelot, and it's time for people to accept that. The South seceded for one reason and one reason only, the fear that slavery would be banned in the Western territories. The so-called War of Northern Aggression began with firing on federal troops at Fort Sumter by the rebels. There was no attempt at negotiation because nothing less than unfettered spread of slavery across North America was the goal of the Confederacy. The firing of the first shots by the rebels symbolically tells you the virtue of the Confederate cause. Non-existent. It was the war to preserve slavery from the South's perspective, nothing more, nothing less. Slavery, racism and self interest. If the South had won, there would have been continuous war between the South and the remaining US states, Canada and Mexico for 50-100 years over the Western territories and whether they would be slave or free.

[robert.]

I could change it to mostly whit girls looting

[up148]

I've been telling my wife and family for decades there will be another civil war in this country. Always thought it would be financial (haves against the have-nots), but its way more than that. It's going to be about all kinds of real and perceived inequalities (money, education, healthcare, you name it) and today's society seems to have less self-control, on a greater scale, than ever before. I don't know about these fringe groups, but it seems if you have an opinion, belief or life style and you want to tell the world......any thing go....pretty damn scary and pathetic.