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Re: Coronavirus:

Postby Neil » Tue May 12, 2020 1:23 pm

"In California anybody who dies is counted as a coronavirus death in order to keep the hysteria going."

Easy to call it hysteria when you're not the patient in the ICU bed, a family member of that person, or the nurses/doctors/respiratory therapists trying to keep that patient alive.

The so-called "hysteria" is a short term effort (seemingly at least partially successful) to prevent full-out disaster, advised by the best scientists and physicians we have. Unfortunately it was poorly implemented (or not) by the ignoramus politicians we have, in some instances. Mayor DeBlasio (a Democrat) and President Trump/Jared Kushner (Republicans) are particularly notable for having failed miserably in this crisis early on. Are the scientists and physicians always right? Of course not. But anyone who doesn't think we'd have 5, 10 or even 100 times the number of sick/dead citizens without the "hysteria" is deeply misinformed. And the numbers of deaths are going up, even with the efforts being made.

The stay at home, close down much of society orders will recede of course. They have to. But until a vaccine is developed (probably not for a year or more, maybe a lot more), herd immunity occurs (ditto), or a safe and effective oral treatment regimen is developed, we're going to need to wear masks in public, keep people far apart in restaurants, ban large public gatherings and generally hunker down for a good long time to come. This is the new normal, unless you want to kill a significant percentage of the people over 60 in our society, and a distressing number of young people as well. And overwhelm the hospitals so they cannot take good care of patients who need heart interventions, hip surgery and similar common problems.

People who believe this is some sort of conspiracy against Trump, a leftist plot, etc. are members of the Flat Earth Society :).
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Re: Coronavirus:

Postby Rufus T. Firefly » Tue May 12, 2020 3:46 pm

Neil wrote:People who believe this is some sort of conspiracy against Trump, a leftist plot, etc. are members of the Flat Earth Society :).


Now you're just insulting the Flat Earth Society, :wink: :wink:
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Re: Coronavirus:

Postby HONDO74 » Tue May 12, 2020 3:55 pm

Neil wrote: in some instances. Mayor DeBlasio (a Democrat) and President Trump/Jared Kushner (Republicans) are particularly notable for having failed miserably in this crisis early on.


In March, New York State officials told nursing-home operators that they would be required to accept patients infected with the novel coronavirus who were discharged from hospitals but are still recovering and in need of care. Not only did the directive strain the state's health-care system, it also put virus-free patients in New York's nursing homes at risk.

Former New York Gov. George Pataki has called for an independent investigation into Cuomo's administration over its handling of COVID-19 in nursing homes across the state.

"I know Andrew Cuomo is one of the most popular politicians in America today,He has his briefings that are calm and informative, but when you look at the job that he is not doing when it comes to nursing homes, those beds should have not have been used to put the most vulnerable in those facilities in harms way. What happened in New York, in my mind, is a disgrace."

Of the nation’s more than 26,000 coronavirus deaths in nursing homes and long-term care facilities, a fifth of them — about 5,300 — are in New York, according to a count by The Associated Press, and the toll has been increasing by an average of 20 to 25 deaths a day for the past few weeks.

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Re: Coronavirus:

Postby Roy » Tue May 12, 2020 4:36 pm

What we need now, is testing and tracing. What we need now, is testing and tracing. What we need now, is testing and tracing.
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Re: Coronavirus:

Postby Rufus T. Firefly » Tue May 12, 2020 4:48 pm

The nursing home death rate and susceptibility has been a problem from the beginning and continues to be one across the nation.
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Re: Coronavirus:

Postby Rufus T. Firefly » Tue May 12, 2020 4:48 pm

Roy wrote:What we need now, is testing and tracing. What we need now, is testing and tracing. What we need now, is testing and tracing.


Where are the beautiful tests that anyone that wants one can have?
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Re: Coronavirus:

Postby healey36 » Wed May 13, 2020 7:48 pm

Maryland relaxes stay-at-home and opens retail at 50% of capacity beginning Friday at 1700. Restaurants still closed, though. Theaters presumably still closed. Offices and factories can reopen. Masks still required indoors.

Me? I'll keep hanging out at the house as much as possible.

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Re: Coronavirus:

Postby robert. » Wed May 13, 2020 8:44 pm

tomorrow my county opens, in defiance of the governor. County DA claims "he instructed law enforcement not to ticket open businesses" But " those not respecting social distancing rules or to many customers will be fined. Then reviewed on a case by case basis. A good number of business owners want to open and sell off their inventory then retire. None of them want to start over.
I'm helping out one that wants to start over. This whole week i have been remodeling his out buildings. All his merchandise will be moved from a large barn(showroom) and placed in smaller garages. We moved his showroom to his storage buildings. then his storage to his large showroom. All his smaller building will have garage doors with chicken wire behind them. Customers will be able to walk around the property and peek into one of many buildings. Then call or text and someone will let them in. Chicken wire is to keep customers and peacocks out. Also to give the appearance that we tried to limit the number of customers.
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Re: Coronavirus:

Postby robert. » Wed May 13, 2020 9:22 pm

"Yet even as coronavirus-positive patients were being funneled into state nursing homes, the state's Secretary of Health, Rachel Levine, removed her mother from one of those facilities, lodging her instead in a hotel.

Levine made that admission on Tuesday while speaking to Pennsylvania media, stating that "she and her sister complied with their mother’s request to move from a personal care home to another location," the Allentown Morning Call reported.

The admission raises concerns that state health officials may have been aware of the potentially devastating threat that COVID-19 posed to nursing homes even as they ordered those facilities to accept COVID-19 patients."
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Re: Coronavirus:

Postby bob turner » Wed May 13, 2020 9:24 pm

Now I understand that picture of a little critter next to your name. Did you put him in an out building? Hold the Peacocks?

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Re: Coronavirus:

Postby E7 » Thu May 14, 2020 1:36 am

robert. wrote:"The admission raises concerns that state health officials may have been aware of the potentially devastating threat that COVID-19 posed to nursing homes even as they ordered those facilities to accept COVID-19 patients."


Unless they were living under a rock or total idiots they were undoubtedly aware the elderly were more susceptible. Be real interesting to see an ACCURATE age chart or Covoid victims.

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Re: Coronavirus:

Postby HONDO74 » Thu May 14, 2020 8:12 am

robert. wrote:"Yet even as coronavirus-positive patients were being funneled into state nursing homes, the state's Secretary of Health, Rachel Levine, removed her mother from one of those facilities, lodging her instead in a hotel.

Levine made that admission on Tuesday while speaking to Pennsylvania media, stating that "she and her sister complied with their mother’s request to move from a personal care home to another location," the Allentown Morning Call reported.

The admission raises concerns that state health officials may have been aware of the potentially devastating threat that COVID-19 posed to nursing homes even as they ordered those facilities to accept COVID-19 patients."


Dr. Rachel Levine serves as Pennsylvania's secretary of health
https://www.advocate.com/health/2020/3/ ... 9-response

Pennsylvania state senator calls for resignation of Health Secretary Dr. Rachel Levine
The Patriot-News
The Patriot-News | Monday, May 11, 2020 3:22 p.m.
https://triblive.com/local/regional/pen ... el-levine/

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Re: Coronavirus:

Postby Rufus T. Firefly » Thu May 14, 2020 8:17 am

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Re: Coronavirus:

Postby Chris Webster » Thu May 14, 2020 8:45 am

(Bloomberg) -- The coronavirus test from Abbott Laboratories used at the White House to get rapid answers to whether someone is infected may miss as many as half of positive cases, according to a report from New York University.

The analysis, which has yet to be confirmed, found that Abbott’s ID NOW missed at least one-third of positive cases detected with a rival test and much as 48% when using the currently recommended dry nasal swabs, according to the report posted on BioRxiv, a server where researchers post early work before it has been reviewed by other scientists.

Abbott Test Still Misses Many Covid Cases, NYU Study Says

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Re: Coronavirus:

Postby Rufus T. Firefly » Thu May 14, 2020 8:52 am

Chris Webster wrote:
(Bloomberg) -- The coronavirus test from Abbott Laboratories used at the White House to get rapid answers to whether someone is infected may miss as many as half of positive cases, according to a report from New York University.

The analysis, which has yet to be confirmed, found that Abbott’s ID NOW missed at least one-third of positive cases detected with a rival test and much as 48% when using the currently recommended dry nasal swabs, according to the report posted on BioRxiv, a server where researchers post early work before it has been reviewed by other scientists.


Last I read it was only ~75% accurate; of course, Abbott immediately blamed end users - standard procedure in the US these days - blame the other person as quickly as possible and deflect. Possible that the reagents used have to be handled in specific ways and that sampling does not easily translate out of the lab setting.
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