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Re: Coronavirus:

Postby healey36 » Tue May 05, 2020 11:39 am

up148 wrote:Never saw or see the draw to cruise ships. Being stuck on a boat with oodles of people you most likely wouldn't associate with in daily life....boring. I know a lot of people who do it, including a sister-in-law who goes with husband and sometimes just girlfriends. She and he drink like fish so maybe they all go to put on a "face" of who they are not. :shock: :shock: :shock:

I certainly agree with that (although the 24-hour buffet has some allure).

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Re: Coronavirus:

Postby robert. » Tue May 05, 2020 11:43 am

PRESS RELEASE | APRIL 10, 2020

CLIA Statement Regarding No Sail Order Issued by the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) on April 9, 2020
WASHINGTON, DC-April 10, 2020—Our industry has taken responsibility for protecting public health on board cruise ships for more than 50 years, working under the guidance and at the direction of the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, the Department of Health and Human Services and the U.S. Coast Guard, as well as the World Health Organization and others. To this end, in March and April the industry submitted proposals to the White House Coronavirus Task Force that are far reaching in prevention, detection, and care—and, importantly, would be led and funded by the industry.

We very much value our relationship with the U.S. authorities, and will continue to work with these important agencies in our shared commitment for the health and safety of passengers and crew, which is the industry’s number one priority.

We are, however, concerned about the unintended consequences the No Sail Order issued on April 9 has in singling out the cruise industry, which has been proactive in its escalation of health and sanitation protocols and was one of the first industries to announce a voluntary suspension of operations.

Cruise activity supports multiple sectors of the U.S. economy (transportation, food and beverage, lodging, manufacturing, agriculture, travel agencies and travel agents, plus a broad range of supply chain industries and small businesses) that stretch across the United States. Should the suspension of sailing extend well beyond the appropriate time to resume business, the economic impact could be significant given each day of the suspension results in a total economic impact loss of about $92 million and the loss of more than 300 direct and 620 total American jobs. Over time the pace of the losses will increase and could result in a total economic impact loss to the United States of $51 billion and 173,000 direct and 343,000 total American jobs if the Order were to remain in effect for a year (Source: BREA/CLIA Economic Impact Analysis).

While it’s easy to focus on cruising because of its high profile, the fact is cruising is neither the source or cause of the virus or its spread. What is different about the cruise industry is the very stringent reporting requirements applicable to vessels that do not apply to comparable venues on land where the spread of communicable disease is just as prevalent. It would be a false assumption to connect higher frequency and visibility in reporting to a higher frequency of infection.
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Re: Coronavirus:

Postby Rufus T. Firefly » Tue May 05, 2020 12:19 pm

Boo-hoo....

Then again, flying is just a shorter version of a cruise ship with everyone in the same room sharing the same air, etc. I have yet to travel by air w/o getting sick within a few days.
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Re: Coronavirus:

Postby up148 » Tue May 05, 2020 1:40 pm

Agree on flying and hopefully won't do that for a long time....if ever again. But at least its hours, not days or weeks of togetherness. Strictly a way to get from point A to B for me. Many decades ago flying became like riding the bus, with severely discounted fares for those booking months ahead of time.

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Re: Coronavirus:

Postby Rufus T. Firefly » Tue May 05, 2020 1:47 pm

up148 wrote:Many decades ago flying became like riding the bus............


.......in close quarters with a lot of people.
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Re: Coronavirus:

Postby Rufus T. Firefly » Tue May 05, 2020 1:48 pm

Here's a note on rescheduling; a meeting/conference that I was invited to in March of 2021 has been moved to 2022.
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Re: Coronavirus:

Postby chuck » Tue May 05, 2020 1:57 pm

In most cases a disease with high morbidity would be "unmasked" on an ocean crossing journey just because of the time it took to get from point a to point b. A ship with a highly contagious and highly lethal disease might not make it or make it as a ship full of mostly dead people. A modern jet liner can move hundreds of people literally across the globe in less than a day. By the time someone realizes that they should be doing health screenings of people traveling by air it's too late.

In this case the disease can hide symptoms for up to two weeks and an infected person may actually pass a quick screen because there isn't enough of the virus present to get caught. This has been a point of concern for public health officials for quite some time. They didn't (and still don't) know how to deal with this. They had hoped that technology would be able to fix this but the current situation is a glaring example of while hope is a good thing it should never be plan A.
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Re: Coronavirus:

Postby Rufus T. Firefly » Tue May 05, 2020 7:02 pm

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Re: Coronavirus:

Postby robert. » Tue May 05, 2020 7:07 pm

Right and Bill Gate is going to tell us " how to keep the world safe".
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Re: Coronavirus:

Postby Rufus T. Firefly » Tue May 05, 2020 8:18 pm

robert. wrote:Right and Bill Gate is going to tell us " how to keep the world safe".


He's been doing a few million orders of magnitude better than the WH has..............ever. He's also been nearly perfect on describing what is happening and how it's going to proceed.

He actually funds a lot of very successful biomedical research and probably more again more efficiently in a targeted directed sense than anyone else.

Underestimating his impact would be foolishness.
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Postby Rufus T. Firefly » Tue May 05, 2020 8:23 pm

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Re: Coronavirus:

Postby robert. » Tue May 05, 2020 9:14 pm

I feel he does it all for financial gains.
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Re: Coronavirus:

Postby chuck » Tue May 05, 2020 9:22 pm

I feel he does it all for financial gains.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_%26_Melinda_Gates_Foundation

Weird way to "make" money.
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Re: Coronavirus:

Postby HONDO74 » Tue May 05, 2020 11:42 pm

chuck wrote:
I feel he does it all for financial gains.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_%26_Melinda_Gates_Foundation

Weird way to "make" money.


From Wikipedia.

Calls for divestment
The foundation trust invests undistributed assets, with the exclusive goal of maximizing the return on investment. As a result, its investments include companies that have been criticized for worsening poverty in the same developing countries where the foundation is attempting to relieve poverty.[81][167] These include companies that pollute heavily and pharmaceutical companies that do not sell into the developing world.[168] In response to press criticism, the foundation announced in 2007 a review of its investments to assess social responsibility.[169] It subsequently canceled the review and stood by its policy of investing for maximum return, while using voting rights to influence company practices.[170][171]

Critics have called on the Gates Foundation to divest from the GEO Group, the second-largest private prison corporation in the United States. A large part of the prison's work involves incarcerating and detaining migrants that have been detained by the Obama administration and now the Trump administration.[172][173][174] In spring 2014 the Gates Foundation acknowledged its $2.2 million investment in the prison corporation.[175] It has more recently rebuffed critics' request that it sever investment ties with the prison corporation. It has refused to comment on whether it is continuing its investments.

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Re: Coronavirus:

Postby Rufus T. Firefly » Wed May 06, 2020 10:32 am

chuck wrote:
I feel he does it all for financial gains.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_%26_Melinda_Gates_Foundation

Weird way to "make" money.


Indeed. Maybe if folks were better informed they'd know better. He and his wife, along with Warren Buffet probably are one of the top philanthropic organizations in the country.

I was always a little frustrated that none of their calls for funding proposals ever crossed over into any of my own research areas.
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