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Re: Coronavirus:

Postby Rufus T. Firefly » Mon May 04, 2020 5:37 pm

chuck wrote:If the current rate holds that will be between 200K and 300K, say around 250K if we "average".


Probably underestimating. Possibly by quite a lot. Hopefully not.

This war but a war with an enemy we can't see, bully, intimidate, bluster, posture, etc. It doesn't care what country you live in or what your political/economic ideology is. It just kills. There are no shortcuts, no miracle potions. Anyone peddling anything different is full of BS. The quicker EVERYONE understands/accepts this the better and quicker the chance that we will get through it.


Yup! Sadly we have too many people that disagree with that paragraph.
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Re: Coronavirus:

Postby robert. » Mon May 04, 2020 7:28 pm

" The economy can recover. It did from both the great depression as well as the great recession. It will take time and will be painful but it will come back." Chuck. I'm going to disagree with you and give you 3 yeah your probably rights. We had an economy built on excess. After a stay at home for 2 months or more people will find they don't need as much. No $1200 handbag, no new car every three years, no fancy dinner out, no health club membership. and countless things i missed. I have had my wife cut my hair. I'm happy with the results. I have not had a doughnut in almost 2 months. I don't miss them.
Who will take up the rents in shopping distracts? Who will want to rent a large space for a restaurant? Seating will be a limited number. Who will travel? Lets see what they do with the Jersey shore this year. You wanna go to Disney? or a movie theater? How about elbow to elbow with somebody? in a plane, a ballpark? I do a lot of trade show transportation and setup for people. My guess would be that part of my business is over. My clients are at a point in their life where they don't want to reinvent a business. I don't blame.
Financially this wont effect people with a guaranteed pension and social security. I don't blame them either. they got out at the right time. everyone else will have a hard climb back to reality. Those pipes are calling ole Danny boy and your gonna need a pot of gold to pay. :shock: :shock: It's that financial house of cards. I hope i'm wrong. Its not the virus that got people. it's that fact they could not weather a 2 month long financial storm. Most of them did not even try to make it through. They just tossed their hands in the air and said " Try to get paid. what are you gonna do? I owe to much."
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Re: Coronavirus:

Postby chuck » Mon May 04, 2020 8:35 pm

This is a little different than the other two. If we can get people to behave, aka wear masks, socialy distance, reconfigure work environment we can safely start to re open.

Unfortunately "we" aren't doing those things. In almost every case where restrictions have been relaxed, people have taken things to the extreme.
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Re: Coronavirus:

Postby robert. » Mon May 04, 2020 9:32 pm

This weekend it was 70-78 degrees in philly and the suburbs. People were out in droves. Lets what happens in 5-7 days.
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Re: Coronavirus:

Postby healey36 » Tue May 05, 2020 7:11 am

My suspicions are that the economy will rebound, but gradually. I don't think there will be the mad rush back into the stores, airports, and car dealerships that the administration and many CEOs are hoping for. Those that might think there'll be no long-lasting impact from this suffer from misplaced hopes. If nothing else, I suspect that this will hasten the move away from brick-and-mortar retail, which will further the growth in "social distancing" that's been happening for years.

For now, I plan to sit back and watch what happens as a few states relax their restrictions. If the hospitalization/death rate blows up as the brain trust seems to feel it will, than we'll all know. If there's hardly a blip in the numbers, it would seem to refute the that notion.

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Re: Coronavirus:

Postby MurphOnMillerAve » Tue May 05, 2020 7:34 am

At this point, and in the near future, is there anyone who would want to take a trip on a cruise ship ? Talk about asking for trouble ! If so, who would these people be?

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Re: Coronavirus:

Postby robert. » Tue May 05, 2020 8:01 am

MurphOnMillerAve wrote:At this point, and in the near future, is there anyone who would want to take a trip on a cruise ship ? Talk about asking for trouble ! If so, who would these people be?

NO! the CDC gave a no sail order through July
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Re: Coronavirus:

Postby Rufus T. Firefly » Tue May 05, 2020 9:30 am

robert. wrote:
MurphOnMillerAve wrote:At this point, and in the near future, is there anyone who would want to take a trip on a cruise ship ? Talk about asking for trouble ! If so, who would these people be?

NO! the CDC gave a no sail order through July


Through July 24 as of yesterday. Was watching the below announcement from Carnival in disbelief.

Carnival Cruise Line will resume service beginning Aug. 1, the company announced Monday.
The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention says cruise ship travel “exacerbates the global spread of Covid-19.”
The CDC “recommends that travelers defer all cruise travel worldwide,” according to its website.


This entire business sector should just end. I feel bad about all the associated businesses that it hurts, but for years we've been hearing stories in the news about cruise line ships with all sorts of sicknesses. This seems like what should be the end of the line for cruise ship travel.
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Re: Coronavirus:

Postby robert. » Tue May 05, 2020 9:52 am

Is that no sail order world wide or just US. ports?
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Re: Coronavirus:

Postby Roy » Tue May 05, 2020 10:35 am

When I read "Carnival Cruises", the first thing that comes to mind is raw sewage. Then, it's non-functional air conditioning. And, last, but not least, being ignominiously dragged into port by a tugboat.

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Re: Coronavirus:

Postby Rufus T. Firefly » Tue May 05, 2020 10:50 am

robert. wrote:Is that no sail order world wide or just US. ports?


Doubt that the CDC has world wide authority or for that matter authority over non US flagged ships, but over US ports, probably.
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Re: Coronavirus:

Postby Rufus T. Firefly » Tue May 05, 2020 10:51 am

Roy wrote:When I read "Carnival Cruises", the first thing that comes to mind is raw sewage. Then, it's non-functional air conditioning. And, last, but not least, being ignominiously dragged into port by a tugboat.


I just see sick people.........more sick people......
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Re: Coronavirus:

Postby Roy » Tue May 05, 2020 11:08 am

Rufus T. Firefly wrote:I just see sick people.........more sick people......

Well, now, yeah. New associations. Cruise ships as disease incubators. Ain't we got fun!
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Re: Coronavirus:

Postby up148 » Tue May 05, 2020 11:21 am

Never saw or see the draw to cruise ships. Being stuck on a boat with oodles of people you most likely wouldn't associate with in daily life....boring. I know a lot of people who do it, including a sister-in-law who goes with husband and sometimes just girlfriends. She and he drink like fish so maybe they all go to put on a "face" of who they are not. :shock: :shock: :shock:

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Re: Coronavirus:

Postby Rufus T. Firefly » Tue May 05, 2020 11:22 am

Roy wrote:
Rufus T. Firefly wrote:I just see sick people.........more sick people......

Well, now, yeah. New associations. Cruise ships as disease incubators. Ain't we got fun!


Sorry, I meant more sick people which is what we'll get after they go back into business.

I've always considered cruise ships as disease incubators - lousy history and all too frequently in the news as being floating cesspools.
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