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Re: Coronavirus:

Postby Rufus T. Firefly » Tue Apr 07, 2020 5:27 pm

up148 wrote:[quoteand then the moronic repubs in Wisconsin are going to force an in person election.....next time anyone wants to accuse Dems of playing politics, just think of Wisconsin and stop right there.]


Won't happen...it will change. Difference is the Dems get away with most of the BS they pull.[/quote]

Nope. It's not one sided by any chance at all; the shite flows from both directions right into a full blockage. Both are equally at fault for the mess we're in. Eventually the sewer will back up on both of them.

Reps seem to be very afraid of mail in voting.....wonder why that is? :shock:


Maybe they know that they really should not win and are afraid to face up to it honestly and are willing to manipulate everything that they can to stay in power? Last acts of desperation tend to look just like what they are doing. Let's put our people's health at risk to perpetuate our control - just what kind of people are these that deserve any consideration or any form of defense - at minimum that are failing to protect their own citizens and should be summarily removed from office.
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Re: Coronavirus:

Postby Rufus T. Firefly » Tue Apr 07, 2020 5:29 pm

Neil wrote:Apparently 60% of Americans think the President has done a good job in this epidemic.


Not sure where that was from, but the poll I just saw had Tony at 90% positive and the Fed Gov't at 66% negative for failing to more aggressively enough with Trump at 10% positive approval.
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Re: Coronavirus:

Postby HONDO74 » Tue Apr 07, 2020 5:47 pm

Rufus T. Firefly wrote:
Neil wrote:Apparently 60% of Americans think the President has done a good job in this epidemic.


Not sure where that was from, but the poll I just saw had Tony at 90% positive and the Fed Gov't at 66% negative for failing to more aggressively enough with Trump at 10% positive approval.


The last poll that I took seriously was back in 2016 that said Hillary Clinton would be the next president.

Very hard for me to believe anything after that.

What I learned is that when they change the wording of the poll the results can change also.

Polls can lead people into an answer that the pollster wants.

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Re: Coronavirus:

Postby robert. » Tue Apr 07, 2020 6:17 pm

Then it will be war without reason.
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Re: Coronavirus:

Postby robert. » Tue Apr 07, 2020 6:32 pm

I had to drive into philly today. Here are some photos. Gas stations boarded up, burger joints with boards on the windows and bus that got paint.
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Re: Coronavirus:

Postby Neil » Tue Apr 07, 2020 7:02 pm

I think I'll just run my mouth a bit more.

As many of you no doubt know, the Republican party can take a lot of credit for reforms and progressive changes in our labor laws during the latter part of the 19th century and early 20th century. Then they strangely became the party of the rich, nostalgic for the era of antebellum South, the imaginary West where men were men and women were actresses. But until recently they had some sense of social responsibility for the weak, the poor and the defenseless, as do most decent human beings. Now they are the party of corporate welfare, fascist policies of thuggery and voter suppression, a cult of personality dedicated to one of the most pathetic, ignorant and genuinely nasty human beings we've ever had as president. The party of denial of scientific evidence, the party of air pollution and lung disease, the party of denying women the right to control their own bodies with theocratic new approaches to embryology that only ignoramuses could believe. All in all, a party with a death wish if one looks at the example of James II of Britain or Louis whatever of France. Monarchy is dead, Donald, hasn't anyone told you?

As for helping the poor and defenseless, if you call yourself a Christian, that is the most important teaching in the New Testament, no? News to Herr Trump apparently. I would not be surprised to find that our family has spent more money on supporting food cupboards, the United Way, the Salvation Army and similar efforts to support those harmed by our absence of any real safety net than Herr Trump has. That's got to give me some mouth running privileges. :) As compared with Trump and his family, and perhaps some here, who believe in taking from the poor to give to the rich, starting with Herr Trump's father, the slumlord.
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Re: Coronavirus:

Postby Neil » Tue Apr 07, 2020 7:20 pm

"Not sure where that was from, but the poll I just saw had Tony at 90% positive and the Fed Gov't at 66% negative for failing to more aggressively enough with Trump at 10% positive approval."

I forget the source of the poll, it was a week or so ago. The one you're quoting sounds like they polled Bernie Sanders's personal Facebook friends :). I hope that's the way it turns out in November, for sure, since as a country we would benefit from wholesale housecleaning of this ship of fools. Biden won't be perfect, nor would a Democratic Senate, but at least they won't sound like a cross between the John Birch Society and the Inquisition.
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Re: Coronavirus:

Postby Rufus T. Firefly » Tue Apr 07, 2020 7:39 pm

Neil wrote:"Not sure where that was from, but the poll I just saw had Tony at 90% positive and the Fed Gov't at 66% negative for failing to more aggressively enough with Trump at 10% positive approval."

I forget the source of the poll, it was a week or so ago. The one you're quoting sounds like they polled Bernie Sanders's personal Facebook friends :).


Would have been on one of the business news networks; rarely look at regular news. The business news networks have carried far better and blanced coverage of.........well........everything.

I hope that's the way it turns out in November, for sure, since as a country we would benefit from wholesale housecleaning of this ship of fools. Biden won't be perfect, nor would a Democratic Senate, but at least they won't sound like a cross between the John Birch Society and the Inquisition.


Or look like Pinocchio doing the backstroke in Satan;'s cesspool........
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Re: Coronavirus:

Postby Rufus T. Firefly » Tue Apr 07, 2020 7:40 pm

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Re: Coronavirus:

Postby HONDO74 » Tue Apr 07, 2020 8:14 pm

Okay I get in now, you guys are out of toilet paper and your stopped up. :mrgreen: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Re: Coronavirus:

Postby HONDO74 » Tue Apr 07, 2020 8:27 pm

Neil wrote: but at least they won't sound like a cross between the John Birch Society and the Inquisition.


Well the democrats just went through the Inquisition process with the impeachment trial. Funny thing the party that says they are for the people didn't do anything for a year. They were going to help the dreamers. What happened.

I will be more than happy to see Jeff Bezos Amazon become unionized. He is running those poor people ragged and only pays them in peanuts. He has become a multi-billionaire and Amazon hardly pays any taxes. He must have a bunch of those liberal Harvard lawyers. :mrgreen:

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Re: Coronavirus:

Postby gnnpnut » Tue Apr 07, 2020 9:18 pm

Rufus T. Firefly wrote:
v8vega wrote:The media is saying this is the worst week yet and not to go to the store in order to keep the frenzy going as long as possible. More died of the Swine flu under Obama, no hysteria at all.


0Idiot Gov's of GA and SC and then the moronic repubs in Wisconsin are going to force an in person election.....next time anyone wants to accuse Dems of playing politics, just think of Wisconsin and stop right there.


And Illinois, thanks to JB Pritzker. Both parties are playing politics with the lives of ordinary citizens, and that is unfortunately never going to change.

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Re: Coronavirus:

Postby chuck » Tue Apr 07, 2020 11:41 pm

Here is the summary report for the swine flu outbreak in 2009.

https://www.cdc.gov/h1n1flu/cdcresponse.htm

Approximately 12,000 US citizens died from this flu over the course of the 2009-2010 flu season (aka full year). 60,000,000 people were diagnosed to have contracted the disease, approximately 275,000 required hospitalization. Most of the deaths were in victims with either underlying medical problems OR in this case, the very young that has no exposure to any previous outbreak of an H1N1 type virus. At this point in time most people had some previous exposure that rendered some level of protection.

The report outlines the steps taken to battle the pandemic. This was a well organized response that bears little resemblance to the sh*t show we are currently experiencing.

BTW,

a) this outbreak occurred in Obama's first year in office, not his fourth.

b) why didn't we hear more about this? Because the CDC was doing a masterful job combatting it. Also, the country was going through the worst economic downturn since the great depression and most people were paying more attention to that.

Harry Truman used to have a sign on his desk. "The Buck Stops Here". Apparently the current occupant of the oval office feels it should not stop anywhere near his desk.

I have never seen such a huge pack of lies peddled by the president and his supporters to cover up his own administrations failings.

First he lied about the severity of the disease and then changed his tune to indicate that he ALWAYS knew it was a pandemic, allegedly to "protect" us from panic. That didn't work out too well on either count.

The US stockpile of equipment/supplies had not been maintained. The contract for maintenance on the ventilators expired last August. This was in the the third year of Trump's presidency. Somewhere between 20% and 25% of the ventilators shipped out to states were non functional.

The cupboard was bare (He is in his 4th year in office, even if it was depleted when he first took office why didn't he take steps to restock)

The original test kits were "old". There were no "old" test kits for this brand new virus.

No one told him how serious this was (early warning were raised in late 2019 and much more dire ones in early January). He chose to listen to the premier of China over his own intelligence community and health experts.

His administration dismantled the internal task force set up to deal with pandemics. While he may not have done this personally, it happened on his watch and EVERYONE involved with this decision is running for cover and/or engaged in high powered spin control.

He continues to post claims for unproven treatments that are leading to potentially dangerous low levels of availability of these drugs for people that need them for protection from the diseases they were designed to fight while offering only anecdotal protection for dealing with COVID 19.

I'm waiting for someone to trot out "My dog ate the report!" excuse. Oh wait, he doesn't have a dog, or a cat, or even goldfish. First president since Polk to not have a pet. That should have raised a few red flags in and of itself.

Bottom line is I have no reason to believe anything that comes out of his mouth or is penned under his name. It used to be the old joke "How can you tell a politician is lying? His lips are moving!" was considered in large part to be hyperbole. That is no longer the case. In one month, we are closing in on the full year death toll of the H1N1 pandemic and that is definitely not hyperbole.
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Re: Coronavirus:

Postby HONDO74 » Wed Apr 08, 2020 12:05 am

Jan. 31 article in The New York Times quoted epidemiologist Dr. Michael Osterholm as saying that Trump's decision to restrict travel from China was "more of an emotional or political reaction."

03/2/20 Bill de Blasio “ I’m encouraging New Yorker's to go on with your lives . Get out on the town despite Coronavirus

February 2 - New York City Health Commissioner Dr. Oxiris Barbot, “The risk to New Yorker's for Coronavirus is low and our preparedness as a city is very high. There is no reason not to take the subway, not to take the bus, not to go out to your favorite restaurant, and certainly not to miss the parade next Sunday. I’m going to be there.”

In 2016 the CDC urged Cuomo to buy 16,000 ventilators at a big discount.Cuomo refused and invested the money in a failed Solar company that went bankrupt.


Coronavirus in NYC: Subway service cutbacks lead to packed commute
https://nypost.com/2020/03/24/coronavir ... d-commute/

Cuomo did little to prepare NY. He continues to not enforce social distancing policies. Subways still running. People still in parks. Crowds stood and watched Navy ship arrive side by side. Nothing was done.
$170 BILLION dollar annual budget in his third term and no money set aside for pandemic preparedness. Give me, give me, give me. Cuomo ordered 17,000 ventilators AFTER the pandemic hit and wonders why they never came. Seems he does not understand supply and demand.
Before the pandemic hit was the time to order ventilators. He was busy renaming a bridge after his deceased Father. Priorities that are serving NY quite well now.

The 3 stooges- Cuomo, de Blasio, and NY Health officials

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Re: Coronavirus:

Postby HONDO74 » Wed Apr 08, 2020 1:28 am

This will be the US very shortly.

Coronavirus: The Italians struggling to feed their families
https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-europ ... r-families

People in Italy have been living under strict lockdown conditions for a month now and, with many unable to earn any money in this time, some have run out of savings.

While its government has agreed to pay part of people’s wages, payments are yet to arrive.

The BBC’s Europe correspondent Jean Mackenzie has been to meet some of the Italians who can no longer afford to buy food.


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