Coronavirus:

[sleepmac]

Rufus, that was funny!! LOL

Dan Weinhold

[HONDO74]

Open the door, I have toilet paper.

[Chris Webster]

In the Calgary Herald:

At least seven cases of COVID-19 in Alberta and 20 in British Columbia are linked to the Pacific Dental Conference in Vancouver that was attended by nearly 15,000 people, including more than 1,200 Albertans.

Despite repeated questions to Alberta Health Services, there has yet to be an update regarding how many of Alberta’s 259 cases are directly linked to the largest dental conference in Western Canada from March 5 to 7.

That conference ended a week before the March Meet.

[Rufus T. Firefly]

In the Calgary Herald:

At least seven cases of COVID-19 in Alberta and 20 in British Columbia are linked to the Pacific Dental Conference in Vancouver that was attended by nearly 15,000 people, including more than 1,200 Albertans.

Despite repeated questions to Alberta Health Services, there has yet to be an update regarding how many of Alberta’s 259 cases are directly linked to the largest dental conference in Western Canada from March 5 to 7.

That conference ended a week before the March Meet.

Pretty sure that the March Meet did not draw 15k attendees,

But, it did congregate a group in a high risk segment of the population.

[HONDO74]

Who Should Be Saved First? Experts Offer Ethical Guidance
https://news.yahoo.com/trump-allies-tra ... 42063.html

How do doctors and hospitals decide who gets potentially lifesaving treatment and who doesn’t?

A lot of thought has been given to just such a predicament, well before critical shortages from the coronavirus pandemic.

“It would be irresponsible at this point not to get ready to make tragic decisions about who lives and who dies,” said Dr. Matthew Wynia, director of the Center for Bioethics and Humanities at the University of Colorado.

Facing this dilemma recently — who gets a ventilator or a hospital bed — Italian doctors sought ethical counsel and were told to consider an approach that draws on utilitarian principles.

In layman’s terms, a utilitarianism approach would maximize overall health by directing care toward those most likely to benefit the most from it. If you had only one ventilator, it would go to someone more likely to survive instead of someone deemed unlikely to do so. It would not go to whichever patient was first admitted, and it would not be assigned via a lottery system. (If there are ties within classes of people, then a lottery — choosing at random — is what ethicists recommend.)

[rogruth]

I am 85 ( I have said that too many times on this forum ), a retired music teacher and musician and have nothing important to contribute to society at this time or probably ever in the future. I hope that if a situation as above were presented to me that I would have the courage to refuse it and it
could be used for someone that may still be productive.

[Rufus T. Firefly]

Who Should Be Saved First? Experts Offer Ethical Guidance
https://news.yahoo.com/trump-allies-tra ... 42063.html

How do doctors and hospitals decide who gets potentially lifesaving treatment and who doesn’t?

Not quite....."would be willing to take a risk of getting the disease if that’s what it took to allow the economy to move forward."

This was not about triage and volunteering to take risks to help getting potentially lifesaving treatment to others or deciding who gets treatment.

This is about putting concerns about the economy ahead of the healthcare of the country. For these people it's more important that their stock holdings are saved than saving people.

Let's just start up the Soylent Green factory now.....and feed these people into first.

[HONDO74]

Doctor, former Kansas governor says coronavirus patients 'doing better' in testing with anti-malaria drug

Anti-malaria drugs ike hydroxychloroquine -- which are being used to treat coronavirus (COVID-19) patients -- are showing positive results, former Kansas governor and practicing surgeon Dr. Jeff Colyer said Wednesday.

Appearing on "America's Newsroom" with host Ed Henry, Colyer said that data from testing at the University of Kansas and in the Kansas City community have proven the drug to have a "safe safety profile."

"I'm one of those people that has had both the white coat and the blue coat on as a policymaker, and it is an important balance," he explained. "[The] white coat in me would love to have more standardized tests with this. However, we have a lot of data, and in fact, about 21 percent of all prescriptions in the United States are used off-label."

"We now have a couple of studies, really, they're large case reports, that show that people who were on this medication have fewer symptoms and are doing better," he continued further. "We're going to be getting a lot more data over the next couple of weeks."

[Roy]

She is more likely to come into contact with more people driving than flying.

I just got back from LA. The planes and airports are basically empty. Flight from LA to DFW had maybe 30 passengers. We each had our own row. From DFW to DTW we had maybe 20 passengers.

I can't guarantee anything but she is probably safer flying than driving. If she drives she has to eat, get gas, sleep, ....She will be coming into contact with more people and way less sanitary conditions than what you would find on a plane/airport.

Good point, about the empty planes. I heard the airlines were suspending international flights, but not domestic ones. I wonder if any A380s are still flying?

[Roy]

All we have to combat the disease, at this time, are support therapies. I remember my 99 year old grandfather dying of pneumonia. The nurse would suction the phlegm from his lungs. In light of the talk of the need for ventilators, I've wondered if they are used, in part, for this purpose.

[Rufus T. Firefly]

Appearing on "America's Newsroom" with host Ed Henry, Colyer said that data from testing at the University of Kansas and in the Kansas City community have proven the drug to have a "safe safety profile."

Apparently people in Africa who heard that this drug worked ran out and used, overdosed, and died. Safe is relative....

But, it's also apparently used for lupus, so it would be very interesting to see what that group of person already on the drugs look like vs. covid-19.

[HONDO74]

hydroxychloroquine is also an ingredient in fish tank cleaner and people have been buying and drinking it. A man and his wife out west drank some and he died and she is in serious condition.

[Rufus T. Firefly]

hydroxychloroquine is also an ingredient in fish tank cleaner and people have been buying and drinking it. A man and his wife out west drank some and he died and she is in serious condition.

And there's why folks should not be on podiums on Nat'l TV talking about drugs that are "game changers". Well, it changed their game, now didn't it.

[robert.]

You can't blame a speaker standing on a podium for that. A lawyer can but you can't

[Rufus T. Firefly]

You can't blame a speaker standing on a podium for that. A lawyer can but you can't

Sure I can. There's still an election coming up...........so far.