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Re: Coronavirus:

Postby Neil » Fri Feb 28, 2020 12:46 pm

Best bet is anti-virals. A few existing drugs have shown activity in tests using cultured cells.

Meanwhile, back at the clubhouse of the American neo-fascist party (I mean the White House :)). Paul Krugman writing.

"On Wednesday Trump held a news conference on the virus, much of it devoted to incoherent jabs at Democrats and the media. He did, however, announce the leader of the government response to the threat. Instead of putting a health care professional in charge, however, he handed the job to Vice President Mike Pence, who has an interesting relationship with both health policy and science.

Early in his political career, Pence staked out a distinctive position on public health, declaring that smoking doesn’t kill people. He has also repeatedly insisted that evolution is just a theory. As governor of Indiana, he blocked a needle exchange program that could have prevented a significant H.I.V. outbreak, calling for prayer instead.

And now, according to The Times, government scientists will need to get Pence’s approval before making public statements about the coronavirus.

So the Trumpian response to crisis is completely self-centered, entirely focused on making Trump look good rather than protecting America. If the facts don’t make Trump look good, he and his allies attack the messengers, blaming the news media and the Democrats — while trying to prevent scientists from keeping us informed. And in choosing people to deal with a real crisis, Trump prizes loyalty rather than competence.

Maybe Trump — and America — will be lucky, and this won’t be as bad as it might be. But anyone feeling confident right now isn’t paying attention."
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Re: Coronavirus:

Postby HONDO74 » Fri Feb 28, 2020 12:50 pm

People can get the coronavirus more than once, experts warn — recovering does not necessarily make you immune
https://news.yahoo.com/people-could-nov ... 00781.html

Most patients seem to make full recoveries, but people who've recovered could still get the virus again in the future.

That already happened to a tour guide in Japan — she recovered from the coronavirus, then tested positive for it again three weeks later.

The antibodies that patients are producing so far don't necessarily last very long, one expert said.

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Re: Coronavirus:

Postby Rufus T. Firefly » Fri Feb 28, 2020 1:55 pm

Neil wrote:Best bet is anti-virals. A few existing drugs have shown activity in tests using cultured cells.


I've never put much stock in results from in vitro cell culture studies; those trials from Gilead will be a 1st test.
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Re: Coronavirus:

Postby Rufus T. Firefly » Fri Feb 28, 2020 1:59 pm

HONDO74 wrote:People can get the coronavirus more than once, experts warn — recovering does not necessarily make you immune
https://news.yahoo.com/people-could-nov ... 00781.html

Most patients seem to make full recoveries, but people who've recovered could still get the virus again in the future.

That already happened to a tour guide in Japan — she recovered from the coronavirus, then tested positive for it again three weeks later.


A lot of speculation. They may have "recovered", but may still harbor the virus which weeks later can just re-assert itself. Testing quality simply has not been all that conclusive or defined.

The antibodies that patients are producing so far don't necessarily last very long, one expert said.


Odd.......if that's the case then a vaccine may be a further distance away.
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Re: Coronavirus:

Postby HONDO74 » Sat Feb 29, 2020 11:37 am

Over a month ago Trump wanted to ban Chinese from coming into the country. The democrats branded him as a BIGOT.

California Monitoring 8,400 People for Coronavirus, 33 Have Tested Positive
https://news.yahoo.com/california-monit ... 57311.html

California is monitoring 8,400 people who arrived in the state on domestic commercial flights for the Wuhan coronavirus, Governor Gavin Newsom announced on Thursday.

33 individuals have already tested positive for the virus, five of whom have been moved out of the state.

“We knew this was inevitable,” Newsom said at a press conference. State officials remain in “constant contact with federal agencies,” the governor stressed, adding that the state’s top priority was obtaining more testing kits since current supplies are “inadequate.”

“We’re not just preparing — we’ve been actively participating in addressing this issue for many months, aggressively,” Newsom said.

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Re: Coronavirus:

Postby Neil » Sat Feb 29, 2020 11:57 am

Trump is a scientific illiterate and his advisers are also scientific illiterates. Why anyone would listen to his ideas on disease risk transmission is beyond me. He's a self-confident moron, surrounded by nitwits and religious nuts, not anyone who knows anything about infectious diseases. Anthony Fauci, head of NIAID who led the AIDS epidemic program would have been a good choice instead of the scientifically crippled ideologue Pence. \

The appropriate policy is not banning all Chinese from the country but maintaining control of passengers at risk. Closing down the world isn't a necessary option at this point in time, and will cause great damage to people and the economy.

Developing a more specific test (some of the positives may well be crossreactivity with previously circulating and less dangerous coronaviruses) and most importantly, finding an active anti-viral agent or two are the key elements to protect the public at this point. Quarantines alone are going to be drawn out, painful and only partially effective based upon data to date.
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Re: Coronavirus:

Postby Rufus T. Firefly » Sat Feb 29, 2020 12:26 pm

HONDO74 wrote: The democrats branded him as a BIGOT.


Doesn't take democrats to show that to be true - he's been proving it regularly for 3 years and for decades prior.
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Re: Coronavirus:

Postby Rufus T. Firefly » Sat Feb 29, 2020 12:38 pm

Neil wrote:Trump is a scientific illiterate and his advisers are also scientific illiterates. Why anyone would listen to his ideas on disease risk transmission is beyond me. He's a self-confident moron, surrounded by nitwits and religious nuts, not anyone who knows anything about infectious diseases. Anthony Fauci, head of NIAID who led the AIDS epidemic program would have been a good choice instead of the scientifically crippled ideologue Pence.


Tony would have been a good choice. No, got to politicize this and go down the wrong path..........

The appropriate policy is not banning all Chinese from the country but maintaining control of passengers at risk. Closing down the world isn't a necessary option at this point in time, and will cause great damage to people and the economy.


It's not even just the Chinese either; Italy and S. Korea - closing down travel at this point is foolish; it's already in our country - closing the door after the horses have left the barn......at least 3 cases on the west coast now that are not understood in origin. And, unclear just how many people those 3 have been in contact with other the past 3 weeks. If anything this will pull the blinders off the facade of our economy and a little reality will shine on it.

Developing a more specific test (some of the positives may well be crossreactivity with previously circulating and less dangerous coronaviruses) and most importantly, finding an active anti-viral agent or two are the key elements to protect the public at this point. Quarantines alone are going to be drawn out, painful and only partially effective based upon data to date.


Yes, but that does take time. Production and distribution in good quantity takes more time. We've wasted 2 months ignoring and now denying the issue.

We have too many people thinking that this going to go away and be "fixed" :roll: by April. We have a President who now claims it's all a hoax, too. Guess he can tell the families of the ~3k dead and closing on ~100k infected (probably a lot more) they are just part of a hoax? The answer to anything that is disliked immediately becomes part of another idiotic conspiracy theory instead of just dealing with reality.
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Re: Coronavirus:

Postby HONDO74 » Sat Feb 29, 2020 12:40 pm

Rufus T. Firefly wrote:
HONDO74 wrote: The democrats branded him as a BIGOT.


Doesn't take democrats to show that to be true - he's been proving it regularly for 3 years and for decades prior.


He should just open the borders like the democrats want and let the world come in. Those greedy US companies need a lot more cheap labor. :lol: :lol: :lol:

I will add this. I keep hearing our medical experts tell us how much better the rest of the worlds health care is compared to ours. Especially Europe. Looks like they all got caught with their pants down.......
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Re: Coronavirus:

Postby HONDO74 » Sat Feb 29, 2020 1:38 pm

Coronavirus Has Come to the U.S. and Lawsuits Won’t Be Far Behind
https://news.yahoo.com/coronavirus-come ... 16610.html

We’ve already seen one court case about Covid-19 in California. When the federal government, working in conjunction with state public health officials, decided to quarantine Americans who’d been infected with Covid-19 overseas in a disused mental health facility in Costa Mesa, California, local officials went to federal court to try to stop it. Think of it as the ultimate NIMBY suit.

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Re: Coronavirus:

Postby Rufus T. Firefly » Sat Feb 29, 2020 2:39 pm

HONDO74 wrote: I keep hearing our medical experts tell us how much better the rest of the worlds health care is compared to ours. Especially Europe. Looks like they all got caught with their pants down.......


Not all of the rest, just some, like about 35. :roll: So, we're not ranked anywhere nearly as high as we should be; not even in the top 10. That's pathetic and w/o any excuse. Maybe that should really be something to address instead of pretending otherwise.

And, not really - they just had more travelers to China that came back weeks ago; incubate and spread time. S. Korea is where there's a far bigger problem. Well over a 1k patients......
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Re: Coronavirus:

Postby rogruth » Sat Feb 29, 2020 4:23 pm

How is a country ranked for its medical and health care? And by whom?
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Re: Coronavirus:

Postby Rufus T. Firefly » Sat Feb 29, 2020 4:34 pm

rogruth wrote:How is a country ranked for its medical and health care? And by whom?


Quality of care, access to care, cost of care, mortality rates, health infrastructure, basic mental and physical health, and the availability of preventative care. and all that good stuff.

The US has lagged behind for a long time now.
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Re: Coronavirus:

Postby HONDO74 » Sat Feb 29, 2020 5:20 pm

Best Healthcare In The World 2020
http://worldpopulationreview.com/countr ... world/Best Healthcare In The World 2020

Healthcare is the maintenance or improvement of health via the prevention, diagnosis, and treatment of illness, injury, disease, and other physical or mental impairments. Healthcare includes dentistry, psychology, nursing, medicine, physical therapy, occupational therapy, and more. Access to healthcare varies across countries, municipalities, and individuals and is largely influenced by economic and social factors.

According to the World Health Organization, a well-functioning healthcare system requires a steady financing mechanism, a properly-trained and adequately-paid workforce, well-maintained facilities, and access to reliable information to base decisions on.

These two sound like our affordable care act ?

Switzerland's health care is universal and health insurance is required for all persons living in Switzerland. Unlike other European countries, Swiss healthcare is not tax-based or financed by employers, but rather it is paid for by individuals through their contribution to Swiss healthcare schemes. There are no free state-provided health services, but basic health insurance coverage covers 80-90% of healthcare costs, including outpatient treatment, emergency treatment, prescriptions, maternal medicine, vaccinations, post-operation rehabilitation, and more. Switzerland combines private, subsidized private, and public healthcare systems to provide its citizens with a large network of qualified doctors, best-equipped medical facilities and hospitals, and no waiting lists.

Finland's healthcare system is believed to be one of the best in the world. Healthcare in Finland is a highly decentralized, three-level, publicly funded system. Municipalities are responsible for offering their residents healthcare services. Funding comes from two sources: municipal financing based on taxes that is used to provide primary healthcare services and National Health Insurance (NHI), which is financed with compulsory fees. NHI funds private healthcare, occupational healthcare, and outpatient care. In a European Commission survey, 88% of Finnish respondents stated that they were satisfied with their healthcare.

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Re: Coronavirus:

Postby HONDO74 » Sat Feb 29, 2020 9:47 pm

And now the panic buying begins, :(

Coronavirus fears empty store shelves of toilet paper, bottled water, masks as shoppers stock up
https://news.yahoo.com/coronavirus-fear ... 37885.html

“Local health officials told us not to panic buy and not to freak out," Ozawa, 45, communications director for tech firm Hawaii Information Service, said, "and that was enough to get us to go out and buy everything.”


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