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[HONDO74]

Prepare for the future now. Its coming at you faster than you think

'Berkeley of the East' seeks to ban fossil fuels as part of sweeping climate plan
https://www.foxnews.com/us/liberal-mary ... imate-plan


A small Maryland enclave known as the “Berkeley of the East” has devised a bold climate plan that would ban gas stoves, leaf blowers and water heaters, according to a report.

Liberal Takoma Park’s action plan, which would also close gas pipelines and force gas stations to relocate, is designed to eliminate fossil fuels to help save the planet, The Washington Post reports.

The town of 17,000 just outside Washington, D.C., first burnished its liberal credentials nearly four decades ago by declaring itself a “nuclear-free zone.”

[Rufus T. Firefly]

A small Maryland enclave known as the “Berkeley of the East” has devised a bold climate plan that would ban gas stoves, leaf blowers and water heaters, according to a report.

Takoma Park is an "interesting" place; never heard it called the “Berkeley of the East”, Fox probably made that up just to draw in readers; click-bait at its best.

Kill the restaurant business that is a major park of the area with no gas stoves - silly. Natural gas might the cleanest fuel about right now. So they want to all electric and where does electricity come from........burning natural gas.

All this does is rearrange the deck chairs on the Titanic.....

[HONDO74]

A small Maryland enclave known as the “Berkeley of the East” has devised a bold climate plan that would ban gas stoves, leaf blowers and water heaters, according to a report.

Takoma Park is an "interesting" place; never heard it called the “Berkeley of the East”, Fox probably made that up just to draw in readers; click-bait at its best.

Kill the restaurant business that is a major park of the area with no gas stoves - silly. Natural gas might the cleanest fuel about right now. So they want to all electric and where does electricity come from........burning natural gas.

All this does is rearrange the deck chairs on the Titanic.....

“Berkeley of the East” Probably a reference to Berkeley of the west. California just did the same thing. No more natural gas in new construction or restaurants.

All this does is rearrange the deck chairs on the Titanic.....bragging rights for politicians that they are doing something.

If they want to cut back on the use of oils they could go to gas RATIONING.

[robert.]

I'm all for the ban of leaf blowers. 100% silly machine. Rake your leaves.

[MurphOnMillerAve]

Just because it's difficult for some folks in our world to wrap their intellects and imaginations around such a huge threat and change as rising ocean levels, worldwide, doesn't mean it isn't something that has to be dealt with. Soon.

One area within all this where I have not understood well is that aspect of not having gasoline powered vehicles and contraptions. Electric power is what gets suggested as the alternative. Why? Isn't electricity made from burning fossil fuels, as well as some (not much, at this time) nuclear-generated electricity????

Regarding electrics cars, for further example, wouldn't their charging stations be getting electricity from the burning of fossil fuels, essentially, and for the most part?

[Rufus T. Firefly]

Why? Isn't electricity made from burning fossil fuels, as well as some (not much, at this time) nuclear-generated electricity????

Regarding electrics cars, for further example, wouldn't their charging stations be getting electricity from the burning of fossil fuels, essentially, and for the most part?

That is why I describe it as rearranging the dek chairs on the Titanic - just shifting the problem elsewhere. We had a burgeoning solar and alternate energy industry in this country, but Bush 2 basically killed it on behalf of the utilities and the oil companies. Instead the world leading in solar is....China.

[MurphOnMillerAve]

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa….maybe China will invent a battery that could hold a big charge and allow cars and even the really big trucks to go for a distance equivalent to a fill-up at a gas-pump. Or perhaps the USA could get wholeheartedly into that science and create a whole new industry.

Not only is it the insipid charged-up ability of a currently available hybrid or "electric" car that is a turn-off, to many, including me, but the long charge-up time is not practicable either. Travel for a max of 3hrs, and then find yourself Lord-knowz where, having to wait for hours for the piddley charge-up? Oivey.

[Rufus T. Firefly]

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa….maybe China will invent a battery that could hold a big charge and allow cars and even the really big trucks to go for a distance equivalent to a fill-up at a gas-pump. Or perhaps the USA could get wholeheartedly into that science and create a whole new industry.

Tesla already has that for cars - ~400 miles. Model 3 range is 600 miles. Not too bad for size of car. Audi does...... Porsche and Volvo...... Ford has an Mustang SUV coming out. Heard that Ford is looking into setting up charging stations - there's where they make the money,

Not only is it the insipid charged-up ability of a currently available hybrid or "electric" car that is a turn-off, to many, including me, but the long charge-up time is not practicable either. Travel for a max of 3hrs, and then find yourself Lord-knowz where, having to wait for hours for the piddley charge-up? Oivey.

You're way out of date on where this has gone in the past couple of years. Charge times are a lot less now; a lot less.... Tesla supercharging stations charge with up to 150 kW of power distributed between two cars with a maximum of 150 kW per car; 20 min to charge to 50%, 40 min to charge to 80%, and 75 min to 100% on the original 85 kWh Model S.

[robert.]

Be realistic for one moment. how often do you travel for 3 hrs straight?

[Rufus T. Firefly]

Be realistic for one moment. how often do you travel for 3 hrs straight?

In my case, rarely more than 2 h straight. I take brief breaks to stretch out the knees and inspect the plumbing. But I used to drive to Chicago for the March Meet and to the Indianapolis meet.

The real question is whether there will be a charging station available at the break points - that infrastructure is lagging behind.

[robert.]

I drive a lot of hours. all due to traffic. t took me six and a half to drive to Richmond va. I left at 2pm and checked in at 9:30 pm. I had an hour stop in Lorton for dinner. along i95 i see charging stations in rest stops. In the future i will be driving 301 instead of 95. It's less anger on 301. I95 is wrestle mania on 4 lanes. I wonder. If cities all filled with electric cars. will tree huggers complain about high levels of ozone ?

[robert.]

interesting. i took a look into electric cars and ozone. Electric cars are brush less motors that do not create ozone.

[MurphOnMillerAve]

Interesting, indeed. I knew I would gain information and more perspective if I mentioned this here. Nice, guys.
Murph

[Rufus T. Firefly]

I drive a lot of hours. all due to traffic. t took me six and a half to drive to Richmond va. I left at 2pm and checked in at 9:30 pm. I had an hour stop in Lorton for dinner. along i95 i see charging stations in rest stops. In the future i will be driving 301 instead of 95. It's less anger on 301. I95 is wrestle mania on 4 lanes. I wonder. If cities all filled with electric cars. will tree huggers complain about high levels of ozone ?

2pm is too late to avoid that circle of Hades.

You neglected to mention where you started from. I95 from the DC Beltway to Fredericksburg is one of top 5 worst stretches of road in the country. The top part is 6 lanes or more now - but after Occoquan, it can be truly hellish. When they raised the terrorism level a few weeks back, the backup from the exit to Quantico was close to 9 miles.

So 3 hours for just that stretch of ~ 45 miles is not uncommon. The slightest disturbance can add an hour; rain....any construction..... Other side of Fredericksburg tends to be far less painful, bu it only takes 1 idiot to totally frell that road for hours.

[rogruth]

Seventy years ago a person could go from almost anywhere to almost anywhere in the U.S. by train with just a short trip some other way to get to and from stations. Not possible today because many rail lines were removed often to save on paying taxes. I know this is simplified but there may be many that would travel by train if at all possible. It was possible to travel from our small town to any major and many minor cities in Georgia and elsewhere.

In the 1950s, when I was in college in the small town of Morehead, Kentucky there were three trains both east and west to Lexington, Louisville, Ashland and others. Morehead to Lexington was @ one hour and the train went to downtown. Lexington wanted the trains out of downtown so stations of the C&O, L&N and SRR were moved to the outskirts. Not only did passenger traffic die but the downtown business died. Yes, there is more to it. Yes, I probably know most of the reasons for the death of the passenger train and I do not expect it to be revived to any extent in my lifetime.