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Re: Seen in Print

Postby HONDO74 » Tue Apr 16, 2019 6:36 pm

Notre-Dame fire: How will the cathedral be restored?
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-47952055

Interesting read from the BBC

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Re: Seen in Print

Postby Roy » Tue Apr 16, 2019 7:35 pm

HONDO74 wrote:Notre-Dame fire: How will the cathedral be restored?
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-47952055

Interesting read from the BBC

David didn't mention if he used wood, or more modern, fire retardant materials to restore the framework of York Minster. I'd go with the latter, given how susceptible to fire these old buildings are.
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Re: Seen in Print

Postby E7 » Wed Apr 17, 2019 1:24 am

Roy wrote:David didn't mention if he used wood, or more modern, fire retardant materials to restore the framework of York Minster. I'd go with the latter, given how susceptible to fire these old buildings are.


From the little bit I read, wood of the type originally used is no longer available in adequate size in France. That sort of implied to me, that the restoration would be with modern materials. Time will tell.

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Re: Seen in Print

Postby MurphOnMillerAve » Wed Apr 17, 2019 8:34 am

I believe I understood this correctly on the News last night:
It was the outer wooden roof, including its inner supporting beams, which burned, collapsing down onto the Gothic-arched and vaulted stone inner roof, which held together intact (!!!!!!!) ; thus, the reason some interior features, such as the main altar (the one at the apse) with its golden Cross, as well as the wooden pulpit and pews, remained un-burned . That stone inner roof remains in place.

Wow.

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Re: Seen in Print

Postby NJPiney » Wed Apr 17, 2019 9:52 am

E7 wrote:
Roy wrote:David didn't mention if he used wood, or more modern, fire retardant materials to restore the framework of York Minster. I'd go with the latter, given how susceptible to fire these old buildings are.


From the little bit I read, wood of the type originally used is no longer available in adequate size in France. That sort of implied to me, that the restoration would be with modern materials. Time will tell.


One fact that not everyone is aware of is that it is not just a matter of size when wood is involved. Two pieces of lumber with identical dimensions can have vastly different properties. Much of our structural and furniture components built long ago came from much larger trees than anything available for harvest today, often referred to as "old growth". Wood with smaller diameter growth rings will react differently with changes in humidity during and after seasoning, often resulting in warping, cupping and splitting that would not occur with a piece that had equal dimensions but much larger diameter growth rings. The rings within wood from old growth sources can look almost flat when viewed from the cross section. Wood shrinks and swells differently across different planes of its structure, with more changes occurring along rings than across them. That is why pieces with less curve to the rings are more stable and why panels and tops on old furniture are often one piece while those used for modern construction need to be edge-joined up from several smaller pieces to avoid stability problems. When it comes to beams such as may be required for the cathedral reconstruction, laminated timbers might be used to replace former solid wood ones.

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Re: Seen in Print

Postby Rufus T. Firefly » Wed Apr 17, 2019 10:53 am

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Re: Seen in Print

Postby MurphOnMillerAve » Wed Apr 17, 2019 10:59 am

Your egg (fertility) and its babe fit a celebration of the ancient goddess Hestia / Hester (origin of the word "Easter") but certainly not The Resurrection of Christ.

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Re: Seen in Print

Postby Rufus T. Firefly » Wed Apr 17, 2019 11:18 am

MurphOnMillerAve wrote:Your egg (fertility) and its babe fit a celebration of the ancient goddess Hestia / Hester (origin of the word "Easter") but certainly not The Resurrection of Christ.


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Re: Seen in Print

Postby HONDO74 » Wed Apr 17, 2019 12:12 pm

Kind of reminds me of Lady GaGa hatching from the egg during her Grammy performance for her song I was born this way.

She said during an interview that it represented being born again.

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Re: Seen in Print

Postby Roy » Wed Apr 17, 2019 1:17 pm

MurphOnMillerAve wrote:I believe I understood this correctly on the News last night:
It was the outer wooden roof, including its inner supporting beams, which burned, collapsing down onto the Gothic-arched and vaulted stone inner roof, which held together intact (!!!!!!!) ; thus, the reason some interior features, such as the main altar (the one at the apse) with its golden Cross, as well as the wooden pulpit and pews, remained un-burned . That stone inner roof remains in place.

Wow.

The arched stone was not the roof at all, but the ceiling, as seen from inside the cathedral.
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Re: Seen in Print

Postby MurphOnMillerAve » Wed Apr 17, 2019 1:20 pm

Roy wrote:
MurphOnMillerAve wrote:I believe I understood this correctly on the News last night:
It was the outer wooden roof, including its inner supporting beams, which burned, collapsing down onto the Gothic-arched and vaulted stone inner roof, which held together intact (!!!!!!!) ; thus, the reason some interior features, such as the main altar (the one at the apse) with its golden Cross, as well as the wooden pulpit and pews, remained un-burned . That stone inner roof remains in place.

Wow.

The arched stone was not the roof at all, but the ceiling, as seen from inside the cathedral.

Good point, Roy. I think .

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Re: Seen in Print

Postby MurphOnMillerAve » Wed Apr 17, 2019 1:43 pm

Rufus T. Firefly wrote:
MurphOnMillerAve wrote:Your egg (fertility) and its babe fit a celebration of the ancient goddess Hestia / Hester (origin of the word "Easter") but certainly not The Resurrection of Christ.


So?

Exactly.

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Re: Seen in Print

Postby Roy » Wed Apr 17, 2019 2:14 pm

NJPiney wrote:Wood with smaller diameter growth rings will react differently with changes in humidity during and after seasoning, often resulting in warping, cupping and splitting that would not occur with a piece that had equal dimensions but much larger diameter growth rings. The rings within wood from old growth sources can look almost flat when viewed from the cross section.

Your description sounds bass-ackwards. Here's a comparison photo:

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Old growth wood (top) vs new growth wood (bottom)

Old Growth Wood: What It Is And Why It’s Better Than New Growth Wood: http://www.historicdoors.co.uk/blog/old-growth-wood-better-new-growth-wood/
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Re: Seen in Print

Postby NJPiney » Wed Apr 17, 2019 3:03 pm

That photo addressed the other beneficial characteristic of old growth wood, which is closer spaced rings and the resulting denser wood. It was not intended to compare the diameter of the growth rings, which seem very similar anyway. In that case, the older, denser wood will still be the more desirable.

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Re: Seen in Print

Postby Rufus T. Firefly » Wed Apr 17, 2019 3:28 pm

MurphOnMillerAve wrote:
Rufus T. Firefly wrote:
MurphOnMillerAve wrote:Your egg (fertility) and its babe fit a celebration of the ancient goddess Hestia / Hester (origin of the word "Easter") but certainly not The Resurrection of Christ.


So?

Exactly.

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