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Re: THE CARAVAN OF CRAP

Postby HONDO74 » Thu Nov 22, 2018 7:21 pm

Hillary Clinton: Europe 'needs to get a handle on migration' in order to halt rise of rightwing populists. :lol: :lol: :lol:

Hillary Clinton has issued frank advice to European leaders: If you want to stop the rise of rightwing populists then get a handle on your immigration crisis.

She said during an interview with The Guardian that the one million migrants and refugees that have flooded into the European Union since 2015 have thrust immigration into the spotlight and fueled the rise of hardline leaders around the globe. And while she praised German chancellor Angela Merkel for her compassion, she cautioned that countries can’t leave the door open forever.

“I think Europe needs to get a handle on migration because that is what lit the flame,” Clinton said regarding the rise of rightwing populists like Hungary’s Viktor Orbán.

Clinton added: “I admire the very generous and compassionate approaches that were taken particularly by leaders like Angela Merkel, but I think it is fair to say Europe has done its part, and must send a very clear message – ‘we are not going to be able to continue provide refuge and support’ – because if we don’t deal with the migration issue it will continue to roil the body politic.”

Countries like Germany, Greece and Italy – which have been most affected by the influx of migrants – have argued that other nations throughout the region need to share in the burden. But the other countries, especially those in central and eastern Europe, have so far refused to help out.

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Re: THE CARAVAN OF CRAP

Postby HONDO74 » Fri Dec 28, 2018 9:13 pm

I would imagine that most members have heard or read about the 2 children in detention with their father from Guatemala that have died. The reports are out that they had contracted the 'FLU"

But to listen to the democrats and the liberal media you would think that Trump and immigration had injected them with it.

These children traveled over a thousand miles. No telling what all they had been exposed to and they have probably never had any immunizing shots. Hundreds of children die in this country every year from the flu or influenza.

Never let a good crisis go to waste when you can blame it on Trump. :mrgreen:

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Re: THE CARAVAN OF CRAP

Postby Roy » Sat Dec 29, 2018 4:17 am

With a name like "Caravan of Crap", it's got to be good!

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Re: THE CARAVAN OF CRAP

Postby Rufus T. Firefly » Sat Dec 29, 2018 7:25 am

HONDO74 wrote:Never let a good crisis go to waste when you can blame it on Trump.


Last time I checked he was still President and everything that happens by the Govt's actions are ultimately the responsibility of the person sitting behind that desk. He might want to try thinking about that someday.
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Re: THE CARAVAN OF CRAP

Postby HONDO74 » Sat Dec 29, 2018 8:16 am

Rufus T. Firefly wrote: everything that happens by the Govt's actions are ultimately the responsibility of the person sitting behind that desk.


So every child in this country that contracts the flu or influenza is the presidents fault......

Children & Influenza (Flu)
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/protect/children.htm

Child flu deaths hits record high for 2017-2018
172 children died of flu
https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-n ... 18-n881381

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Re: THE CARAVAN OF CRAP

Postby HONDO74 » Sat Dec 29, 2018 8:20 am

Roy wrote:With a name like "Caravan of Crap", it's got to be good!



I like your thinking Roy. Now that hundreds are being released in San Diego, maybe you could invite a few to come stay with you.

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Postby MurphOnMillerAve » Sat Dec 29, 2018 9:14 am

I still keep looking here for a solution. I know nobody here is President, but with all the negative name-calling, and the dilemma of so many people arriving in the USA, and many still on their way, most of them still living, what can actually, effectively be done about them and the apparently never-ending situation?

Even building such a wall seems specious to me, since I do not understand why folks trying to "get in" can't just walk around wherever its end -points are. And BTW, at the top of such a fence, shouldn't the designer(s) be making a protrusion that angles outward toward the Mexico side, since apparently some folks can climb a wall no matter how tall it might be, but when at the top, if it were to be angling against their ascent, wouldn't that, at some point, be making them hang precariously in the air for quite a bit?

If somebody, here, has already suggested a SOLUTION to the whole phenomenon, on this thread, which I missed, you can assign it to me as homework and I shall read it attentively.

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Re: THE CARAVAN OF CRAP

Postby robert. » Sat Dec 29, 2018 9:50 am

Give a man a fish. He’ll eat for a day. Teach him to fish and he’ll eat for a lifetime. Maybe the Vatican can sell off some priceless antique it owns. Then help these people out.
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Postby MurphOnMillerAve » Sat Dec 29, 2018 10:03 am

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robert. wrote:Give a man a fish. He’ll eat for a day. Teach him to fish and he’ll eat for a lifetime. Maybe the Vatican can sell off some priceless antique it owns. Then help these people out.

How about Saudi Arabia, selling and helping?

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Re: THE CARAVAN OF CRAP

Postby HONDO74 » Sat Dec 29, 2018 10:15 am

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robert. wrote:Give a man a fish. He’ll eat for a day. Teach him to fish and he’ll eat for a lifetime. Maybe the Vatican can sell off some priceless antique it owns. Then help these people out.

How about Saudi Arabia, selling and helping?


Saudi Arabia gave 26 million and other gifts to the Clinton foundation. :mrgreen:

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Re: THE CARAVAN OF CRAP

Postby Rufus T. Firefly » Sat Dec 29, 2018 10:28 am

Saudi Arabia gave 26 million and other gifts to the Clinton foundation.


So not relevant.....

MurphOnMillerAve wrote:If somebody, here, has already suggested a SOLUTION to the whole phenomenon, on this thread, which I missed, you can assign it to me as homework and I shall read it attentively.


The solution depends on whether you want to actually fix the problem or just fix the symptom. The symptom is that these folks are coming here for jobs, security, safety, and a future.....sort of why your ancestors might have come here. The problem is the horrors that exist where they are coming from.....and the US Govt very quietly just poured a few hundred million into the latter aspect w/o any fanfare or real announcements.
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Re: THE CARAVAN OF CRAP

Postby Rufus T. Firefly » Sat Dec 29, 2018 10:31 am

robert. wrote:Give a man a fish. He’ll eat for a day. Teach him to fish and he’ll eat for a lifetime. Maybe the Vatican can sell off some priceless antique it owns. Then help these people out.



If you give a man a fish, he will eat for a day.
But if you teach man to fish, he will buy an ugly hat.
And if you talk about fish to a starving man, then you’re a consultant.

Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day.
Teach a man to fish and he will starve before mastering the skill, thus saving you today’s delicious fish.

Give a man a fish, he will eat for a day.
Give a man a net, he will eat for a lifetime.
Give a man religion, he will die praying for a fish.
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Re: THE CARAVAN OF CRAP

Postby rogruth » Sat Dec 29, 2018 11:10 am

Rufus T. Firefly wrote:
Saudi Arabia gave 26 million and other gifts to the Clinton foundation.


So not relevant.....

MurphOnMillerAve wrote:If somebody, here, has already suggested a SOLUTION to the whole phenomenon, on this thread, which I missed, you can assign it to me as homework and I shall read it attentively.


The solution depends on whether you want to actually fix the problem or just fix the symptom. The symptom is that these folks are coming here for jobs, security, safety, and a future.....sort of why your ancestors might have come here. The problem is the horrors that exist where they are coming from.....and the US Govt very quietly just poured a few hundred million into the latter aspect w/o any fanfare or real announcements.

Rufus,
I am not completely understanding the last line. Into what did the US Govt. just pour millions? Something that might make changes how?
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Re: THE CARAVAN OF CRAP

Postby HONDO74 » Sat Dec 29, 2018 11:51 am

Rufus T. Firefly wrote:
The solution depends on whether you want to actually fix the problem or just fix the symptom. The symptom is that these folks are coming here for jobs, security, safety, and a future.....sort of why your ancestors might have come here. The problem is the horrors that exist where they are coming from.....and the US Govt very quietly just poured a few hundred million into the latter aspect w/o any fanfare or real announcements.


Did the United States create the horrors that exist where they are coming from ?

All these countries including Mexico had gone through several revolutions. and they are all still corrupt. Giving them millions of dollars to try and help them doesn't work. Can we fix it for them ? Should we send in the military ?

We didn't screw up Venezuela, the people voted for what they got and now several million have left for other South American countries.

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Re: THE CARAVAN OF CRAP

Postby Rufus T. Firefly » Sat Dec 29, 2018 11:52 am

rogruth wrote:
Rufus T. Firefly wrote:
Saudi Arabia gave 26 million and other gifts to the Clinton foundation.


So not relevant.....

MurphOnMillerAve wrote:If somebody, here, has already suggested a SOLUTION to the whole phenomenon, on this thread, which I missed, you can assign it to me as homework and I shall read it attentively.


The solution depends on whether you want to actually fix the problem or just fix the symptom. The symptom is that these folks are coming here for jobs, security, safety, and a future.....sort of why your ancestors might have come here. The problem is the horrors that exist where they are coming from.....and the US Govt very quietly just poured a few hundred million into the latter aspect w/o any fanfare or real announcements.

Rufus,
I am not completely understanding the last line. Into what did the US Govt. just pour millions? Something that might make changes how?


Economic development - basically create jobs. Not all that far off from what I had suggested years ago - address the problem at the source.
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