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Increasing the available charge capacity to up to 450kW considerably reduces the charging time, in turn increasing the number of vehicles able to use the technology in a given space of time.

In 2016, there was a total number of approximately 14.5 million automobiles registered in California. If they all got home from work at the same time and plugged their electric mandated vehicles into the 450 kw charger at the same time Southern California Edison would have to supply 6,525,000,000,000 (6.5 trillion) watts to the grid. The USA government and the utilities have worked together to produce the standard (it is in revision 4.0 last I heard) that will prevent total meltdown of the nations power utilities when all those electric vehicles are plugged in for charging. The solution is called, "Smart Grid," and the arm of the government leading the charge is The National Institute of Standards and Technology ( a non-regulatory agency of the United States Department of Commerce.)


Reference: https://www.nist.gov/engineering-laboratory/smart-grid

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Remember San Diegan? He works for Qualcomm. You all know the chip that makes your cell phone work was made by Qualcomm?
(Unless you have a new iPhone:=> https://www.cnet.com/news/2018-iphone-w ... comm-says/)
San told me many years ago he had accepted an assignment to work on Qualcomm's Halo™ Wireless Electric Vehicle Charging (WEVC).

Everything is ready to go when electric vehicles become mandatory.

You drive to work and park over a Halo and your car gets charged while you work.

You are driving down the expressway and your electric vehicle fuel gauge is reading low? Look for a "Qualcomm Area" sign and as you enter the Halo you authorize the charge ($) and your car gets charged (electrical) as you drive.

You are at home cooking on the smart electric range and the smart range shuts down because the Qualcomm Halo's have told the utility supplying the power how much was being consumed and the Smart Grid notifies your cooking range to shut down until the grid gets the "All Clear" from the Halo.

So, you can all stop worrying about everything, the government and utilities are in cahoots to solve all the potential problems caused by going all electric. And that includes integrating non-fossil fuel systems into the electrical grid. You have nothing to worry about. Everything is going just fine.

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Ok, it's not the technology since that was something I was pretty sure already existed, it's the setting up a distribution of charging stations and franchising that out.........and making it pretty universal as well across brands - eventually going to have to be a standardization to make this useful to all if ther's going to be a future.

Standards are written.

When I eat at Baggins I am always amused while I eat watching several cars drive up to the electric vehicle charging station and charge for ten minutes before unhooking and driving away. The most amusing is when their car does not have one of the two standard charge plugs the city has decided to supply at these charging stations. One lady spent 20 minutes on the phone trying to get help on how to make a standard charger fit her non-standard charge socket on her car.

I think there is already an aftermarket need for EV plug adapters.

Come to think about it, I may have to put a bigger battery on my APC UPS. It only lasts 30 minutes when there is a power failure. I need at least 2 hours to discuss things on MTJ. I am sure batteries will be immune to the Smart Grid, just the chargers will be smart.

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[Rufus T. Firefly]

Standards are written.

...........their car does not have one of the two standard charge plugs the city has decided to supply at these charging stations.

And, there's the problem I was referring to about standards - if they are set by local municipalities then this will fail as that will result in far too many sets of standards. This is something that all of the car manufacturers need to agree to and live with along with entire countries. Analogous to gas nozzles at the pump and gas tank fill aperture standards.

[MurphOnMillerAve]

Standards are written.

...........their car does not have one of the two standard charge plugs the city has decided to supply at these charging stations.

And, there's the problem I was referring to about standards - if they are set by local municipalities then this will fail as that will result in far too many sets of standards. This is something that all of the car manufacturers need to agree to and live with along with entire countries. Analogous to gas nozzles at the pump and gas tank fill aperture standards.

Perfect point to make.

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Standards are written.

...........their car does not have one of the two standard charge plugs the city has decided to supply at these charging stations.

And, there's the problem I was referring to about standards - if they are set by local municipalities then this will fail as that will result in far too many sets of standards. This is something that all of the car manufacturers need to agree to and live with along with entire countries. Analogous to gas nozzles at the pump and gas tank fill aperture standards.

NIST Special Publication 1108r3, NIST Framework and Roadmap for Smart Grid Interoperability Standards, Release 3.0, is for the USA electrical grid only. 1108r3 is a United States, Government Standard.

Automotive manufacturers are currently having their own plug wars, each claiming theirs should be the standard. There is no way local municipalities can set a standard for automotive manufacturers. The state of California, maybe, but no city has enough influence to do it.

Local municipalities fail for other reasons. In the case of Tucson... ahh, well an example.

In 2011 Pima County, Arizona, was one of 16 metro areas around the country getting charging stations under a federal grant. The project was financed by the U.S. Department of Energy stimulus grant of $114.8 million, from the 2009 American Recovery and Reinvestment Act. The grants are matched by private investment, bringing the total value of the national project to approximately $230 million. All the charging stations were installed in and around Tucson. Eight Tucson Libraries received these charging stations. I went around to the libraries in 2013 and asked the staff working at the time I visited if they had ever seen an electric vehicle plugged into one of them. At all eight libraries, the answer was, "No." FAIL!

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I stopped at Baggins today and went over to the charging station to see what it would charge.

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The charge plug on the right is an SAE Combo CCS charge plug.

It will charge Chevrolet Bolt, Chevrolet Spark, BMW i3, Mercedes, Volkswagen, and other American / European fast-charge EV's.

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The one on the left is a CHAdeMO plug.

This plug is for Nissan Leaf, Mitsubishi i-Miev, and other Japanese EV's that use the CHAdeMO connector standard.

[MurphOnMillerAve]

Such a beautifully informative conversation! Speaking only for myself, Thanks!

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CHARGE PLUG WARS

The CHAdeMO was A standard co-developed by TEPCO and the Japanese automakers.

Instead of adopting CHAdeMO the SAE developed their own fast charging standard (Combo Charging System).

Tesla Motors developed a proprietary fast charging system (Supercharger).

And the Chinese developed a different fast charging standard.

The charge station at Baggins has the two most popular (found in the majority of EV automobiles) fast-charge (Level 3) charge plugs.

A one hour level 3 charge will add another 100 miles to your EV. The people I see using this charge station typically only stay ten minutes. That gives them 16 miles. They probably only need that to get to work or home where they can plug into their company or home charger.

[robert.]

It would be nice to see an American standard plug. Most people only get $5.00 of gas at a clip. They don't want to take the few extra minutes to fill up.

[MurphOnMillerAve]

It would be nice to see an American standard plug. Most people only get $5.00 of gas at a clip. They don't want to take the few extra minutes to fill up.

I certainly am not "most Americans," then, by your statement, because I never let either car get below 1/2 tank, and always say, "Filler up" when I drive up to the tanks at a station.