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Re: Seen in Print

Postby rex desilets » Wed Oct 24, 2018 7:08 pm

As a mark of our advanced civilization, most signs are pictorial.
If you can't read street signs there are apps for your cellphone (even the poorest seem to have them) that will guide you turn-by-turn.
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Re: Seen in Print

Postby webenda » Wed Oct 24, 2018 7:18 pm

HONDO74 wrote:That day there was only one other person there and that person could not read or speak English. They let him have an interpreter for both test and he passed. I kept thinking, how does this person manage when they are out there on their own if the can't read all the signs.


I know my way to work, the market, the model train store, and home. Why would I need to read signs? Signs are just unnecessary distractions to keeping my attention on driving.

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If you obey that "keep moving" sign you are likely to hit, or be hit by, someone driving straight through in the lane you are about to merge into.

1) Traffic Signs Can Lead To “Distracted Driving”
2) Too Many Signs Leads To Information Overload
3) Signs Can Make Drivers Less Defensive
4) Traffic Signs Are Expensive

A major problem with traffic signs is trust; most drivers comply with signs directing them to yield, stop, turn left from the left turn lane and merge when told to, however, not all drivers follow the rules of the road. Traffic signs can cause drivers to let down their guard and drive less defensively than they should be, based on the unrealistic belief that all drivers will comply with the rules expressed through traffic signs. Many serious crashes involving drivers running red lights could be avoided if all drivers checked the intersection before entering it, regardless of the color of the light.
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Re: Seen in Print

Postby Rufus T. Firefly » Wed Oct 24, 2018 8:55 pm

HONDO74 wrote:
up148 wrote:


but even Moses limited the number of passengers he loaded up so the ark didn't sink.

BH


Not to be picky, but I believe it was Noah that had the ark. Moses took all the people he could get through the Red Sea to the promised land. :mrgreen:


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Re: Seen in Print

Postby Rufus T. Firefly » Wed Oct 24, 2018 9:02 pm

webenda wrote:
If you obey that "keep moving" sign you are likely to hit, or be hit by, someone driving straight through in the lane you are about to merge into.


No. That sign indicates that you do not have to merge and that both lanes form and are retained after the curve. We have those signs around here and people tend to interpret them just as you did and attempt to panic merge and it's not necessary at all.

1) Traffic Signs Can Lead To “Distracted Driving”
2) Too Many Signs Leads To Information Overload
3) Signs Can Make Drivers Less Defensive
4) Traffic Signs Are Expensive


Lots of maybe wrapped up in that list.

A major problem with traffic signs is trust; most drivers comply with signs directing them to yield, stop, turn left from the left turn lane and merge when told to, however, not all drivers follow the rules of the road. Traffic signs can cause drivers to let down their guard and drive less defensively than they should be, based on the unrealistic belief that all drivers will comply with the rules expressed through traffic signs.


Too many signs are simply wrong and placed poorly; many in VA are placed after the exit you wanted to take to get off 95/495/395.....you can't trust them!

Many serious crashes involving drivers running red lights could be avoided if all drivers checked the intersection before entering it, regardless of the color of the light.


I'm rapidly becoming a believer in red light cameras and would like to see the fines go up an order of magnitude.
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Re: Seen in Print

Postby Rufus T. Firefly » Wed Oct 24, 2018 9:06 pm

rex desilets wrote:As a mark of our advanced civilization, most signs are pictorial.


Picture is generally more informative, but it does help if it is correct; road construction around here tends to not know what lane they've closed and put up the wrong signs causing even a bigger mess that if they got it right.

If you can't read street signs there are apps for your cellphone (even the poorest seem to have them) that will guide you turn-by-turn.


Yes, you can use them on your cell phone while driving............ :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

Honestly, a lot of street sign are poorly placed and you can't find them to read them - I see that every day; people looking for a road and can't find the sign.
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Re: Seen in Print

Postby webenda » Wed Oct 24, 2018 11:44 pm

Rufus T. Firefly wrote:
webenda wrote:
If you obey that "keep moving" sign you are likely to hit, or be hit by, someone driving straight through in the lane you are about to merge into.


No. That sign indicates that you do not have to merge and that both lanes form and are retained after the curve. We have those signs around here and people tend to interpret them just as you did and attempt to panic merge and it's not necessary at all.

In Tucson, we have a variety of situations.
1. You do not have to stop at the red light and you turn into your own lane.
2. You do not have to stop at the red light and you turn into your own lane but someone changes lanes in the intersection and runs into you.
3. You do not have to stop at the red light but you turn into cross traffic.
4. There is no "keep moving" sign but you turn into your own lane (some stop and will not go until light turns green, some stop at the red light before proceeding, some do not stop.)
5) You could turn into the bus lane to avoid cross traffic but you are not supposed to.

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Re: Seen in Print

Postby webenda » Thu Oct 25, 2018 12:14 am

HONDO74 wrote:
up148 wrote:


but even Moses limited the number of passengers he loaded up so the ark didn't sink.

BH


Not to be picky, but I believe it was Noah that had the ark. Moses took all the people he could get through the Red Sea to the promised land. :mrgreen:

Just to be clear about this, not a single person Moses took through the Red Sea made it onto the promised land, not even Moses.
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Re: Seen in Print

Postby HONDO74 » Thu Oct 25, 2018 12:54 am

webenda wrote:
HONDO74 wrote:
up148 wrote:


but even Moses limited the number of passengers he loaded up so the ark didn't sink.

BH


Not to be picky, but I believe it was Noah that had the ark. Moses took all the people he could get through the Red Sea to the promised land. :mrgreen:

Just to be clear about this, not a single person Moses took through the Red Sea made it onto the promised land, not even Moses.


Okay so Joshua completed the task of leading the Israelites into the Promised Land and of taking possession of it. Moses would have made it if he hadn't screwed up with the rock. :mrgreen:

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Re: Seen in Print

Postby webenda » Thu Oct 25, 2018 2:36 am

HONDO74 wrote:
webenda wrote:
HONDO74 wrote:
Not to be picky, but I believe it was Noah that had the ark. Moses took all the people he could get through the Red Sea to the promised land. :mrgreen:

Just to be clear about this, not a single person Moses took through the Red Sea made it onto the promised land*, not even Moses.


Okay so Joshua completed the task of leading the Israelites into the Promised Land and of taking possession of it. Moses would have made it if he hadn't screwed up with the rock. :mrgreen:

Still not clear.

Numbers 14:20-23 New Revised Standard Version Catholic Edition (NRSVCE)
20 Then the Lord said, “I do forgive, just as you have asked; 21 nevertheless—as I live, and as all the earth shall be filled with the glory of the Lord— 22 none of the people who have seen my glory and the signs that I did in Egypt and in the wilderness, and yet have tested me these ten times and have not obeyed my voice, 23 shall see the land that I swore to give to their ancestors; none of those who despised me shall see it.


After forty years of wandering, the entire generation of Israelites who were delivered from slavery had died, except Joshua* and Caleb*. It was the children who had been born during the wilderness years who were left now.

*Except Joshua and Caleb

Numbers 14:30 New Revised Standard Version Catholic Edition (NRSVCE)
30 not one of you shall come into the land in which I swore to settle you, except Caleb son of Jephunneh and Joshua son of Nun.
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Re: Seen in Print

Postby up148 » Thu Oct 25, 2018 8:09 am

HONDO74 wrote:
up148 wrote:


but even Moses limited the number of passengers he loaded up so the ark didn't sink.

BH


Not to be picky, but I believe it was Noah that had the ark. Moses took all the people he could get through the Red Sea to the promised land. :mrgreen:



No, it was Moses Smith, he lived next door and told me all about it. Yeah, that was a pretty bad brain fart. :oops: :oops: :oops: Happens these days more than I would like to admit.

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Re: Seen in Print

Postby HONDO74 » Thu Oct 25, 2018 9:31 am

up148 wrote:

No, it was Moses Smith, he lived next door and told me all about it. Yeah, that was a pretty bad brain fart. :oops: :oops: :oops: Happens these days more than I would like to admit.

BH


I used to have fun with this trick question. "How many species of each animal did Moses take on the Ark" You would be surprised how many will answer without thinking. :mrgreen:

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Re: Seen in Print

Postby HONDO74 » Thu Oct 25, 2018 9:39 am

webenda wrote:
Numbers 14:20-23 New Revised Standard Version Catholic Edition (NRSVCE)
20 Then the Lord said, “I do forgive, just as you have asked; 21 nevertheless—as I live, and as all the earth shall be filled with the glory of the Lord— 22 none of the people who have seen my glory and the signs that I did in Egypt and in the wilderness, and yet have tested me these ten times and have not obeyed my voice, 23 shall see the land that I swore to give to their ancestors; none of those who despised me shall see it.


After forty years of wandering, the entire generation of Israelites who were delivered from slavery had died, except Joshua* and Caleb*. It was the children who had been born during the wilderness years who were left now.

*Except Joshua and Caleb

Numbers 14:30 New Revised Standard Version Catholic Edition (NRSVCE)
30 not one of you shall come into the land in which I swore to settle you, except Caleb son of Jephunneh and Joshua son of Nun.


Okay Dr Spock whatever you say. :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

I have been through the parting of the Red Sea....... When it was located in Calif.... Universal Studios. :wink: :mrgreen:
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Re: Seen in Print

Postby webenda » Thu Oct 25, 2018 12:58 pm

HONDO74 wrote:I have been through the parting of the Red Sea....... When it was located in Calif.... Universal Studios. :wink: :mrgreen:

Me too. Happy are we who made it through before Universal shut the "Parting of the Red Sea" down on November 3, 2016, and repurposed the sea for production shooting of various films.
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Re: Seen in Print

Postby chuck » Thu Oct 25, 2018 1:51 pm

If you want to have fun with signage, start putting in extremely poorly designed traffic circles. These are the "new thing" in Michigan and it was allegedly done to save money on traffic lights.

a) Make sure they are only two lanes wide and really tight diameter. Ideally they are so tight that busses and tractor trailers take out both lanes or actually can't navigate the circle without jumping the inner curb.

b) Now sprinkle yield signs all over the place. Since the curve is so tight, you can't tell whom the yield sign is directed at.

c) Bonus points seem to have been awarded for daisy chaining two or even three of these together like it was some kind of carnival ride. These usually involve freeway interchanges that are close to a major intersection with a school or shopping center.

d) Blend in 1/2 the drivers looking at their phones and you may as well station tow trucks/wreckers at each site.

The ones I've encountered in New England were way larger and much easier to navigate. I've seen people here getting into one of triples and getting "lost", aka lopping around and around.
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Re: Seen in Print

Postby rogruth » Thu Oct 25, 2018 2:14 pm

We seem to have the traffic circle stuff goijg on on this area also.
I remember some up north that worked very well but the new ones
being built are as Chuck says. To make it worse many drivers don't
know what to do when they come to one.
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