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Jon, check with Bob Stevenson for the pilot wheels. Or maybe Joe Foehrkolb knows how to find them.
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Now that all this is out there, a reality check:
Why would you want to break every bone in this things body (cab, running boards, pilot wheels, trailer, tender, headlight, domes, delivery pipes, steamchest, valve gear hangers) to make a pretty Pacific into a mudfence ugly one just to avoid relettering it? Grin!
In reality, starting with a USRA Light to build an N&W Pacific is what we called starting from "behind scratch"; more work than building it yourself and you'd still not get close.
My council, for what its worth, reletter it for L&N and get with DeBruin about how to do a couple coaches.
You're trying to make a sow's ear out of a silk purse, and doing it the hard way.
Why would you want to break every bone in this things body (cab, running boards, pilot wheels, trailer, tender, headlight, domes, delivery pipes, steamchest, valve gear hangers) to make a pretty Pacific into a mudfence ugly one just to avoid relettering it? Grin!
In reality, starting with a USRA Light to build an N&W Pacific is what we called starting from "behind scratch"; more work than building it yourself and you'd still not get close.
My council, for what its worth, reletter it for L&N and get with DeBruin about how to do a couple coaches.
You're trying to make a sow's ear out of a silk purse, and doing it the hard way.
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sarge wrote:You're trying to make a sow's ear out of a silk purse, and doing it the hard way.
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Nice Lemmy there Rufous.
One of my favorite power trios ever. I've always found "Bomber" and "Overkill" in particular great for family sing-alongs.
Jon, per Sarge's observations, I believe these light USRA's were employed by a variety of roads including the L&N and certainly there's likely at least one that is a much closer match to the factory configuration you have there. They were typically on passenger trains, express/fast perishable service but got downgraded to branch line, local "whatever" etc. in their final years. One other thing I noticed about the N&W's version (which I actually kind of like) is that tender is quite distinctive as well with those side trusses on the chassis.
One of my favorite power trios ever. I've always found "Bomber" and "Overkill" in particular great for family sing-alongs.
Jon, per Sarge's observations, I believe these light USRA's were employed by a variety of roads including the L&N and certainly there's likely at least one that is a much closer match to the factory configuration you have there. They were typically on passenger trains, express/fast perishable service but got downgraded to branch line, local "whatever" etc. in their final years. One other thing I noticed about the N&W's version (which I actually kind of like) is that tender is quite distinctive as well with those side trusses on the chassis.
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For some clarity, the N&W thing is not a USRA or even close. It was a prewar design, probably smaller than the USRA Light. About the only thing the same is the wheel arrangement and that probably was unintentional. Grin!
L&N, Mobile & Ohio, and B&O come to mind. Maybe Joe F can weigh in about how far B&O modified them and when. That might be a good conversion, too. The L&N ones stayed pretty much as built if memory serves.
If you think the side in Dave's photo is close enough, wait to you see the other side of an N&W E2. Ready to raise and lower running boards?
L&N, Mobile & Ohio, and B&O come to mind. Maybe Joe F can weigh in about how far B&O modified them and when. That might be a good conversion, too. The L&N ones stayed pretty much as built if memory serves.
If you think the side in Dave's photo is close enough, wait to you see the other side of an N&W E2. Ready to raise and lower running boards?
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It would be interesting if some one knew what the prototype road basis was for these Weavers (beyond merely Light USRA Pacific) or whether its an amalgam with no prototype like that CLW 4-8-4, the AN 2-6-6-4 etc.
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De Bruin wrote:Nice Lemmy there Rufous.
Appropriate to my mood today............
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With a little elbow grease, it might be converted into the famous Heinz 57! 
Not laughing at you Jon, but with you, from one having bought a turkey or two hisself! 
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Pete:
It's intended as a standard USRA Light Pacific as built in 1919. Being thus, the real thing was not specific to any particular railroad that was assigned them as part of the nationalisation of the railroads during WWI. You just got what came.
From then on, a couple things happened. After the USRA nationalisation bit ended in 1920 and control reverted to the companies again, many of the USRA standard locos were sold off or modified to come more in line with each railroad's preferences for appliances &c. The designs themselves were often used as the basis for postwar orders, too, often called "clones" by the railfan press. These copies usually had railroad specific features from the off.
Other than errors or compromises in the model itself, Weaver intended this as the as-designed and as-built light Pacific of standard design during the period the railroads were nationalised under USRA. They are "real", but like more steam designs than the railfan press would have you believe, they are not road-specific. Neither were the real ones originally.
It really isn't a "turkey", Rich. Its not a bad starting point for something as involved as the B&O ones that got modified by B&O, and really would be a simple reletter to the ones that stayed pretty much as built, such as some of the L&N ones; they were well-known for leaving all their USRAs; Mikes, Pacifics, &c pretty much as they came. ACL's light Pacifics look pretty unforked with, too.
It's intended as a standard USRA Light Pacific as built in 1919. Being thus, the real thing was not specific to any particular railroad that was assigned them as part of the nationalisation of the railroads during WWI. You just got what came.
From then on, a couple things happened. After the USRA nationalisation bit ended in 1920 and control reverted to the companies again, many of the USRA standard locos were sold off or modified to come more in line with each railroad's preferences for appliances &c. The designs themselves were often used as the basis for postwar orders, too, often called "clones" by the railfan press. These copies usually had railroad specific features from the off.
Other than errors or compromises in the model itself, Weaver intended this as the as-designed and as-built light Pacific of standard design during the period the railroads were nationalised under USRA. They are "real", but like more steam designs than the railfan press would have you believe, they are not road-specific. Neither were the real ones originally.
It really isn't a "turkey", Rich. Its not a bad starting point for something as involved as the B&O ones that got modified by B&O, and really would be a simple reletter to the ones that stayed pretty much as built, such as some of the L&N ones; they were well-known for leaving all their USRAs; Mikes, Pacifics, &c pretty much as they came. ACL's light Pacifics look pretty unforked with, too.
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It's actually a pretty decent looking locomotive, and not nearly as silly as some of the fantasy things floating around out there. I'd just change the name to whatever road is closest. The turkeys in mention were my property.
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That'd work.
When delivered, they all said US on them, with the company name as sublettered. That indicates the USRA (United States Railroad Administration) under which all railroads were nationalised until 1920.
Railroads were very very quick to repaint after USRA was ended in 1920 and the railroads reverted to private ownership.
But, yes, you could easily do that loco painted as ACL.
When delivered, they all said US on them, with the company name as sublettered. That indicates the USRA (United States Railroad Administration) under which all railroads were nationalised until 1920.
Railroads were very very quick to repaint after USRA was ended in 1920 and the railroads reverted to private ownership.
But, yes, you could easily do that loco painted as ACL.
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