How Stupid Are They?

[HONDO74]

So Murdoch, an Australian, owning Fox and what he uses it for is ok,

Well we need at least one from the right side of the fence to see it from a conservative point of view. Everything else out there is from the left and liberal point of view. I am not talking about the entertainment section that tries to pass its self off as a legitimate news organization.....

[Tom Dempsey]

... Bezo the richest man in the world. Oh wait, he is now the richest man in the world.

No, that's Putin.

[Rufus T. Firefly]

So Murdoch, an Australian, owning Fox and what he uses it for is ok,

Well we need at least one from the right side of the fence to see it from a conservative point of view.

A news organization that Joseph Goebbels would have been proud to be a part of today.

[webenda]

I found a source that supports Wayne's statements, and contrary statements, about coal being a rock (or not):

I never said coal was a rock.

How am I doing?

...I would not refer to coal as a rock either, it clearly has plants as its source.

The Petrified Wood question. Petrified Wood has plants as it source also but is different from coal. The plant life only served as a mold for the minerals that replaced the plant material. Petrified Wood is mineral, a form of rock.

In the Petrified Forest National Park exhibit, here in Arizona, there are specimens that still have the organic membranes from the wood cells embedded in the rock. The petrified wood, in this case, is still mineral (rock) but the rock contains some organic material.

Is petrified wood organic? (sorry if this has already been asked and answered)...

Healey

Does it have carbon? Was it ever alive?
Those are pertinent questions to answering your own inquiry, Healey, IMO.
Murph

Carbon... Limestone has carbon in it: CaCO3 => Calcium (Ca), Carbon (C) and Oxygen (O). CaCO3 is definitely an inorganic compound. The broad definition of organic chemistry is that it is the chemistry of carbon containing substances. But an exception is always made in the definition: The carbonates, CO2 and metal cyanides are specifically excluded from organic chemistry.

[Rufus T. Firefly]

The broad definition of organic chemistry is that it is the chemistry of carbon containing substances. But an exception is always made in the definition: The carbonates, CO2 and metal cyanides are specifically excluded from organic chemistry.

That definition may be somewhat dated and CO2 being excluded is a bit odd as it's a classic means to make carboxylic acids through organic chem that learned in the lab better than 40 years ago. In fact, the lines defining the borders of organic chem are quite blurry.

[Roy]

At one time J. Paul Getty was the richest man and nobody knew what he ate or cared.

My father had working lunches with him, so he's an exception.

[rex desilets]

So Murdoch, an Australian, owning Fox and what he uses it for is ok,

Well we need at least one from the right side of the fence to see it from a conservative point of view.

A news organization that Joseph Goebbels would have been proud to be a part of today.

Not to be crude, or anything, but: Horseshit

[HONDO74]

So Murdoch, an Australian, owning Fox and what he uses it for is ok,

Well we need at least one from the right side of the fence to see it from a conservative point of view.

A news organization that Joseph Goebbels would have been proud to be a part of today.

The Goebbels would have really been proud of ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, the NY TIMES, The LA TIMES, the WASHINGTON POST with all the fake news they propagate.

[HONDO74]

Well we need at least one from the right side of the fence to see it from a conservative point of view.

A news organization that Joseph Goebbels would have been proud to be a part of today.

Not to be crude, or anything, but: Horseshit

I will second that one with BULLS$IT.

[webenda]

The broad definition of organic chemistry is that it is the chemistry of carbon containing substances. But an exception is always made in the definition: The carbonates, CO2 and metal cyanides are specifically excluded from organic chemistry.

That definition may be somewhat dated and CO2 being excluded is a bit odd as it's a classic means to make carboxylic acids through organic chem that learned in the lab better than 40 years ago. In fact, the lines defining the borders of organic chem are quite blurry.

It is an old definition, no longer used, except for a few ancient individuals, (Murph still uses it.) I was pointing out that even the older definition had exclusions, CO2 being one of them.

Although carbon dioxide contains carbon and has covalent bonds, it also fails the older test for whether or not a compound could be considered organic: Could the compound be produced from inorganic sources? Carbon dioxide occurs naturally from processes that are definitely not organic. It is released from volcanoes, minerals, and other inanimate sources. The case of carbon dioxide, yes, living organisms produce it, but so do many other natural processes. Thus, it is classified as inorganic.

This older definition of "organic" fell apart when chemists started to synthesize organic compounds from inorganic sources. For example, Wohler made urea (an organic) from ammonium chloride and potassium cyanate. And petroleum (an organic) comes from limestone and water, both inorganic.

More on why carbon dioxide isn't considered to be an organic compound: Organic molecules don't just contain carbon. They contain hydrocarbons or carbon bonded to hydrogen. So, when you're determining whether a carbon compound is organic or not, look to see whether it contains hydrogen in addition to carbon and whether the carbon is bonded to the hydrogen. Make sense?

Carbon dioxide isn't the only compound that contains carbon but isn't organic. Other examples include carbon monoxide (CO), Calcium Carbonate (CaCO3), sodium bicarbonate, iron cyanide complexes, and carbon tetrachloride. As you might expect, elemental carbon isn't organic either.

Amorphous carbon, buckminsterfullerene, graphite, and diamond are all inorganic.

Elemental analysis of coal gives empirical formulas such as C137H97O9NS for bituminous coal and C240H90O4NS for high-grade anthracite. Coal has the carbon/hydrogen bond and is therefore organic, no matter what geologists want it to be.

I don't mind CO2 but C137H97O9NS just looks wrong. Here it are the coal formulae as an image.

[MurphOnMillerAve]

I feel better already, edified, as it were.

[Rufus T. Firefly]

More on why carbon dioxide isn't considered to be an organic compound: Organic molecules don't just contain carbon. They contain hydrocarbons or carbon bonded to hydrogen. So, when you're determining whether a carbon compound is organic or not, look to see whether it contains hydrogen in addition to carbon and whether the carbon is bonded to the hydrogen. Make sense?

Carbon dioxide isn't the only compound that contains carbon but isn't organic. Other examples include carbon monoxide (CO), Calcium Carbonate (CaCO3), sodium bicarbonate, iron cyanide complexes, and carbon tetrachloride. As you might expect, elemental carbon isn't organic either.

Amorphous carbon, buckminsterfullerene, graphite, and diamond are all inorganic.

Not buying all that. Nope! It's a lot more than carbon and hydrogen. Carbon tet is organic and any working bench chemist will tell you that; excluding perhalogenated compounds as not being organic due to a lack of hydrogen is just silly. Lots of halogenated natural products exist as well; almost every functionality exists included in a natural product And, while the fullerenes and nanotubes might not have hydrogen (the latter actually do at the ends), where they fall ranges across the possibilities of both organic and inorg. And, I've done a few studies with both as well as with diamonds which btw are not just carbon at the surface nor at the interior.

[robert.]

Can we use an Australian law against Murdoch. If your a foreigner owning a business. You must be an upstanding citizen or you lose your business.” It would be fun to watch how liberals would defend him.

[Rufus T. Firefly]

Can we use an Australian law against Murdoch. If your a foreigner owning a business. You must be an upstanding citizen or you lose your business.” It would be fun to watch how liberals would defend him.

Kind of doubt it, but I find it funny that a foreigner manipulates a segment of the country that wants to build a wall to keep foreigners out and nobody blinks.

[HONDO74]

Can we use an Australian law against Murdoch. If your a foreigner owning a business. You must be an upstanding citizen or you lose your business.” It would be fun to watch how liberals would defend him.

Kind of doubt it, but I find it funny that a foreigner manipulates a segment of the country that wants to build a wall to keep foreigners out and nobody blinks.

Australia enforces it's immigration laws. The people that tried to get in by boat they keep locked up on some island. Australia doesn't want them so we are going to take them in here. So why won't the Aussies take them. Because they are from some SH$IHOLE countries.