Speaking of North Korea...

[MurphOnMillerAve]

.... In our capitalistic rush to the bottom for low wages, we are at a disadvantage to manufacture for war.
None of the current long term scenarios bode well for our country.
For the love of greed we have sold our country out.

How did our loss of steel mills figure in that?

[Roy]

Sun Su, The art of misdirection in times of peace.
While we focus on NK China has built islands in the south china sea and armed them. They are producing a world class Navy for what?

I was surprised to hear that China has just recently launched their first aircraft carrier. If the Chinese were interested in a world class navy, they would've had a lot more carriers by now.

[robert.]

You lost me there, Robert. Huh?

Fifthly, the book of the Void. By Void I mean that which has no beginning and no end. Attaining this principle means not attaining the principle. The Way of strategy is the Way of nature. When you appreciate the power of nature, knowing the rhythm of any situation, you will be able to hit the enemy naturally and strike naturally. All this is the Way of the Void. I intend to show how to follow the true Way according to nature in the book of the Void.

You win in battles with the timing in the Void born of the timing of cunning by knowing the enemies' timing, and this using a timing which the enemy does not expect.
All the five books are chiefly concerned with timing. You must train sufficiently to appreciate all this

Find Miyamoto Musashi's book. 5 rings. https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Miyamoto_Musashi
When an attack is happening you don't always need to respond right away. Wait and think how you will attack. Don't act like a kicked hornet's nest. At some point those close by will realize how horrible an come will be. I may not like my neighbor but i don't want to see his ex wife burn down his house.My damage from his fire would be costly

[rex desilets]

Invoking Musashi. I am impressed

[aterry11]

You forget their perfection of a guidance system and missile that kill's carriers and,... Betcha whhooose been a sellin that technology to NK?
When 1% owns more than 90% of the populations money. Somethings forked and history shows, No longevity to societies that practices it.

[aterry11]

Wow Robert, Heavy Shit...
I and some friends coined the Void,.. Realtime...
When we noticed shit was happenin and everything else was moving in slow motion, but We were able to move sorta normally.
Step out of the way and such...

[HONDO74]

What If Hawaii's False Missile Alert Had Been Real?

What would you do if you were there and a real nuclear ballistic missile was going to hit

Would you try to seek shelter or just bend over and kiss your a$$ goodby

They are sitting ducks. There are no designated bomb shelters to go to, there is no plan of evacuation in place, they all live on lava and no one has a bunker under their house to stash in. They are fully dependent on hoping our military defense system shoots down any incoming missile prior to impact. Aside from that,they all would just spread out, hunker down with their families and hope if the missile hits, it hits far from where they are. Thats it!

[Rufus T. Firefly]

What If Hawaii's False Missile Alert Had Been Real?

What would you do if you were there and a real nuclear ballistic missile was going to hit

Would you try to seek shelter or just bend over and kiss your a$$ goodby

They are sitting ducks. There are no designated bomb shelters to go to, there is no plan of evacuation in place, they all live on lava and no one has a bunker under their house to stash in. They are fully dependent on hoping our military defense system shoots down any incoming missile prior to impact. Aside from that,they all would just spread out, hunker down with their families and hope if the missile hits, it hits far from where they are. Thats it!

It's not just Hawaii that's vulnerable to such a weapon; pretty much doesn't matter where you are anywhere. For those that have bunkers in other places, no one knows that they will protect or survive an initial blast or if there will be adequate shielding to prevent your being cooked by gamma, and if you were to survive, opening it up when is safe - maybe never.

Not all of Hawaii is living on lava either......but after a nuclear strike, that's close to what would be left......

Best hope is for it to miss or malfunction....issuing an alert seems to border on a mentality that's stuck in the 50's

[chuck]

China's carriers are in response to India's (which is ironic in that both are starting from the not so great Soviet Kusnetsov design). The original always sailing with a ocean going tug for when the main propulsion system fails which is often enough to warrant sailing with a tow truck as part of your battle group.

I guess we could start dusting off the old duck and cover 16mm films they used to show when I was in grade school. Yeah, those used to make me feel so much safer.

[MurphOnMillerAve]

Does anybody suppose there are folks in Washington, DC who have thought about a first-strike by the USA against NK and not waiting to be victims in order to be "able" to return fire?

[Rufus T. Firefly]

Does anybody suppose there are folks in Washington, DC who have thought about a first-strike by the USA against NK and not waiting to be victims in order to be "able" to return fire?

I have zero doubt that that scenario has been planned in great detail; it's the consequences of that action that are very real that have to both understood and survived.

[chuck]

If the technology existed to make NK disappear instantaneously at the push of a button someone would have done that a long time ago. Everything else takes enough time for NK to launch a counter attack against South Korea, Japan, and even China (whom they would blame for allowing this to happen).

They don't need to strike the US to make a global mess AND leave us being the bad guys and probably start WW-3.

[Rufus T. Firefly]

They don't need to strike the US to make a global mess AND leave us being the bad guys and probably start WW-3.

Thinking it through should leads one to that conclusion.

[MurphOnMillerAve]

Then I should think Japan and China would be losing patience with Rocketman, right?

[chuck]

Then I should think Japan and China would be losing patience with Rocketman, right?

Yes. Doesn't matter. We're all stuck in the same boat and complaining that "your side of the boat is sinking" isn't going to do much.

If the Chinese cut him off financially (money/trade) he can let his people surge across their boarder (I don't mean the army either, just cold starving people). Japan has no leverage as they have no direct financial contact. Normal logic does not apply.