How Stupid Are They?

[Rufus T. Firefly]

So, then, what is the answer for all those homeowners who want to live there (not that there has to be an answer for all our wants and needs)?

Visit, enjoy the beauty, clean up after yourself, and go home somewhere else knowing that you left this intact for others to enjoy.

Your reply reminds me of a story a parish priest of ours told us wbout his hike down into the Grand Canyon, for his first and only time there. He said that a very firm rule was that whatever you took into the canyon, hiking along the trails, had to be brought back up and out with you - everything - which apparently included human waste.

Well, I have no idea how such a rule was supervised and employed, but it made interesting sense to me once Father told us of his experience.

Again, we only get to rent this place.

[chuck]

"Take only pictures, Leave only footprints"

Sign on the trail into the Sleeping Bear Dunes National Lake Shore park. When we visited Letchworth state park one of the visitors was indignant that there were no "trash receptacles". They seemed to ignore the admonishment from the gate entrance attendants that there were no garbage cans and any thing you wanted to toss you had to take with you and toss someplace else (like a gas station or fast food place).

If you insist on living in an environment like that you would have to put the dwelling underground and make it out of concrete. You still need to evacuate when the fires come (and they will) because there won't be a lot of oxygen while they pass through.

There are insane houses stuck to the mountain sides in Laguna Beach, CA and there are a series of houses built onto the sides of the Pallisade's Cliffs on the Hudson. The community is called "Grand View". The houses are in no danger of "falling down" but your garage may be the attic and you really don't want to mix up the gas/brake pedals or which direction the gear shift is in. In some cases you have to cross a bridge to get to the garage in the attic. Fantastic view, not worth the dangers, at least not to me.

[Roy]

I thought it was the prolific and prodigious undergrowth that was the main problem. Why not clear all that out , from time to judicious time?

Chaparral is not a forest (even if California calls some chaparral areas a forest) there is no undergrowth. Scrub Oak (one of 42,000 chaparral species requiring fire to survive) grows from 0.8 to 4.1 feet high when mature.

The roots of the chaparral hold the dirt in place. Without chaparral, huge mudslides occur.

My childhood home was at the top of the hill overlooking Whittier College. We had brush on the hill, which the city used to clear by spraying with oil. I don't know if that brush qualifies as chaparral, but it is very common on the hills in Southern California.

[up148]

BH, I'm not sure I would have included Puerto Rico in that overall statement.

Yes, a little different set of circumstances there - Huston area has been known to flood for many years. That folks fail to get insurance is just gambling - should require them to get insurance if they want to live in specific areas, but then again folks don't like to be told that they are required to get insurance.

What am I missing. You live on an island in the hurricane prone Caribbean and you don't have homeowners insurance????????? If none available from the major carries, then I feel sure the government would have some type of special insurance (have to read the link posted above about FEMA insurance as to limits). I see no difference in those island people from the ones who live in the hurricane prone east coast of Texas or gulf states. People in those areas ought to be required to buy insurance, just like Obama Care makes everyone buy health insurance. Or, If you don't want to buy insurance (gamble), then no tax payer government funded program should be available to bail your *ss out. Never thought about limits until glancing at the FEMA link, but if you want to pay the premiums, someone will most likely write the policy. Just like a cost of doing business in the business world, high premiums would be the cost of living in hurricane prone areas.

I live in Oklahoma and our homeowners policy no longer covers earthquake damage (because we are having more of them lately). So we have to go out and buy a separate policy that covers this type of damage with fairly high deductibles). But, if I don't buy it, I sure as h*ll don't expect you guys to pay for my decision.

No responsibility for actions in today's world.

BH

[MurphOnMillerAve]

Wait. You're having so much earthquake activity in Oklahoma that insurance coverage has been declined?! In geologic terms, you are very close to what is under all of Yellowstone National Park, heating to a boil those underground streams and rivers, causing all the geyser action. Eventually....

And concerning Puerto Rico:
A) the inhabitants are citizens of the United States .
B) I saw an elderly lady being interviewed earlier this week, amidst what was left of her very humble home, on that tropical isle, by a young news reporter who had brought with his team a handheld device that purified water. He handed her a glass of clean water , which had been something she had not enjoyed since the storm . The joy of it brought her to tears of gratitude.

Could that be what you missed?

[robert.]

I know a lady that moved back to nj. From Puerto Rico. She had some home owners coverage. Problem is none of her coverage will fix roads, electric lines or public sewer pipes.

[MurphOnMillerAve]

I know a lady that moved back to nj. From Puerto Rico. She had some home owners coverage. Problem is none of her coverage will fix roads, electric lines or public sewer pipes.

Excellent point, Robert.

[Rufus T. Firefly]

Wait. You're having so much earthquake activity in Oklahoma that insurance coverage has been declined?! In geologic terms, you are very close to what is under all of Yellowstone National Park, heating to a boil those underground streams and rivers, causing all the geyser action.

Fracking central,

And concerning Puerto Rico:
A) the inhabitants are citizens of the United States .
B) I saw an elderly lady being interviewed earlier this week, amidst what was left of her very humble home, on that tropical isle, by a young news reporter who had brought with his team a handheld device that purified water. He handed her a glass of clean water , which had been something she had not enjoyed since the storm . The joy of it brought her to tears of gratitude.

Could that be what you missed?

Maybe he misses the difference between $1.5 mill homes vs. an island in poverty.....,,,,,surrounded by water, big water, ocean water.

[webenda]

Wait. You're having so much earthquake activity in Oklahoma that insurance coverage has been declined?! In geologic terms, you are very close to what is under all of Yellowstone National Park, heating to a boil those underground streams and rivers, causing all the geyser action. Eventually...

What? I can't believe you just said that Murph.

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We know that Oklahoma experienced 109 magnitude 3+ earthquakes in 2013, 579 in 2014, 903 in 2015 and 623 in 2016.

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[MurphOnMillerAve]

Are you saying I have over estimated the size of and the possible effect of the volcano brewing under Yellowstone ? I hope I am wrong. Once it blows, how much of the southwest and The Great Plains states do you imagine would be left and able to grow crops? Think, at a minimum: debris cloud. What diameter do you imagine its super-caldera would eventually be?

Also, what do you think raised the Rocky Mountains in the first place?

Are those mountains still being raised up?

What forces would shake Oklahoma ?

Is the North American continent still moving westward (is it an inch per year , or is that a foot per year?

Believe it, I am saying all that.

[Roy]

Are you saying I have over estimated the size of and the possible effect of the volcano brewing under Yellowstone ?

We were talking about changes in earthquake insurance in Oklahoma because of fracking. You're talking about a major extinction event, due to a super volcano eruption. You want to insure against that?

[Tom Dempsey]

I'm sure the underwriters will give you great rates on extinction event insurance!

[robert.]

I'll underwrite it. @$200.00 a year. You get $300,0000 in coverage.

[MurphOnMillerAve]

Are you saying I have over estimated the size of and the possible effect of the volcano brewing under Yellowstone ?

We were talking about changes in earthquake insurance in Oklahoma because of fracking...

Somehow, I missed that. So I suppose I spoke on the perfect thread for me, Roy, the one about being stupid. Apparently, I am one of the "they" in the thread title.
You must feel glorious at my embarrassment .

Thank you, Tom.
Thank you, Robert.
Now I understand.
Murph

[webenda]

So I suppose I spoke on the perfect thread for me, Roy, the one about being stupid. Apparently, I am one of the "they" in the thread title. Murph

Wrong again Murph. I am right beside you in belonging to this thread.