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Re: Trump and Puerto Rico

Postby Rufus T. Firefly » Mon Oct 02, 2017 9:45 am

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HONDO74 wrote:There are many more islands in the Caribbean that were also destroyed. The US is responsible for 3, Puerto Rico, US Virgin Island and A small one called Navassa. The UK, France and the Netherlands are responsible for theirs. The rest are either independent nations or part of the Caribbean commonwealth.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_s ... _Caribbean

As far as help goes we sure don't need any from the UN like what Haiti got back when they had the earthquake and the UN peacekeepers brought in had cholera. The cholera epidemic imported by United Nations peacekeepers began killing thousands of Haitians.

How was that done? (I never heard of that.)


Considering that cholera is the result of a bacterial infection that is caused by ingestion of faecally contaminated water or food, it's not imported like the flu or smallpox.
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Re: Trump and Puerto Rico

Postby HONDO74 » Mon Oct 02, 2017 10:57 am

U.N. Admits Role In Haiti Cholera Outbreak That Has Killed Thousands
http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/ ... -thousands

In the fall of 2010, months after a devastating earthquake struck Haiti, a new disaster began: a cholera outbreak that killed thousands of people and continues to sicken people across the country.

Experts determined that the source of the disease was a U.N. peacekeeping camp. And now, nearly six years later, the United Nations has admitted it played some role in the deadly outbreak.

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Re: Trump and Puerto Rico

Postby HONDO74 » Mon Oct 02, 2017 11:05 am

Rufus T. Firefly wrote:
HONDO74 wrote:There are many more islands in the Caribbean that were also destroyed. The US is responsible for 3, Puerto Rico, US Virgin Island and A small one called Navassa.


Pretty sure that the US Virgin Island is not a single island and is actually several islands clustered together that includes the islands of Saint Thomas, St. John, Water Island and St. Croix. This does not inclide the host of smaller islands in that same cluster.


US Virgin Island.
I apologize for leaving the S off of the word Island, Should have been US Virgin Islands. :wink: :mrgreen:

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Re: Trump and Puerto Rico

Postby Rufus T. Firefly » Mon Oct 02, 2017 11:38 am

HONDO74 wrote:U.N. Admits Role In Haiti Cholera Outbreak That Has Killed Thousands
http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/ ... -thousands

In the fall of 2010, months after a devastating earthquake struck Haiti, a new disaster began: a cholera outbreak that killed thousands of people and continues to sicken people across the country.

Experts determined that the source of the disease was a U.N. peacekeeping camp. And now, nearly six years later, the United Nations has admitted it played some role in the deadly outbreak.


That barely makes sense except that the water supply there was total crap.......and people drank it. If you don't have a water treatment system that works, everything that comes in from everyone is a problem. Blaming the UN for that is just amazingly stupid.
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Re: Trump and Puerto Rico

Postby MurphOnMillerAve » Mon Oct 02, 2017 12:39 pm

Rufus T. Firefly wrote:
HONDO74 wrote:U.N. Admits Role In Haiti Cholera Outbreak That Has Killed Thousands
http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/ ... -thousands

In the fall of 2010, months after a devastating earthquake struck Haiti, a new disaster began: a cholera outbreak that killed thousands of people and continues to sicken people across the country.

Experts determined that the source of the disease was a U.N. peacekeeping camp. And now, nearly six years later, the United Nations has admitted it played some role in the deadly outbreak.


That barely makes sense except that the water supply there was total crap.......and people drank it. ...

Apparently, you meant that literally.

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Re: Trump and Puerto Rico

Postby HONDO74 » Mon Oct 02, 2017 12:53 pm

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The relief efforts for Harvey have been totally overshadowed and near forgotten.


More Than 60,000 People Are Still Living in Hotels 1 Month After Hurricane Harvey
https://www.yahoo.com/news/more-60-000- ... 56848.html

More than 60,000 displaced people are still living in hotel rooms paid for by the Federal Emergency Management Agency, and many businesses say they expect revenues will continue to suffer over the next six months. But people remain hopeful they will rebuild and find their way back to normal.

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Re: Trump and Puerto Rico

Postby Rufus T. Firefly » Mon Oct 02, 2017 1:08 pm

MurphOnMillerAve wrote:
Rufus T. Firefly wrote:
HONDO74 wrote:U.N. Admits Role In Haiti Cholera Outbreak That Has Killed Thousands
http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/ ... -thousands

In the fall of 2010, months after a devastating earthquake struck Haiti, a new disaster began: a cholera outbreak that killed thousands of people and continues to sicken people across the country.

Experts determined that the source of the disease was a U.N. peacekeeping camp. And now, nearly six years later, the United Nations has admitted it played some role in the deadly outbreak.


That barely makes sense except that the water supply there was total crap.......and people drank it. ...

Apparently, you meant that literally.


Both ways...... Haiti is the lowest end 3rd world country right out the backdoor. Best thing that could happen to it would be for Gates or Buffet to just "buy" the place and turn it into our offshore manufacturing center.
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Re: Trump and Puerto Rico

Postby Rufus T. Firefly » Mon Oct 02, 2017 1:09 pm

HONDO74 wrote:
Rufus T. Firefly wrote:
The relief efforts for Harvey have been totally overshadowed and near forgotten.


More Than 60,000 People Are Still Living in Hotels 1 Month After Hurricane Harvey
https://www.yahoo.com/news/more-60-000- ... 56848.html

More than 60,000 displaced people are still living in hotel rooms paid for by the Federal Emergency Management Agency, and many businesses say they expect revenues will continue to suffer over the next six months. But people remain hopeful they will rebuild and find their way back to normal.


"people remain hopeful"...... Pretty sure that wears off - just ask around in New Orleans...
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Re: Trump and Puerto Rico

Postby up148 » Mon Oct 02, 2017 4:21 pm

Rufus T. Firefly wrote:
MurphOnMillerAve wrote:
Rufus T. Firefly wrote:
That barely makes sense except that the water supply there was total crap.......and people drank it. ...

Apparently, you meant that literally.


Both ways...... Haiti is the lowest end 3rd world country right out the backdoor. Best thing that could happen to it would be for Gates or Buffet to just "buy" the place and turn it into our offshore manufacturing center.


In my business travels around the world, when I was much younger, I hit some low spots. Haiti was one of the lowest and scariest, even more so than Venezuela. Believe it was the mid 90's. There was only one decent hotel, owned by an American attorney out of NY and this is where any US officials would stay while visiting. I was told the CIA operated out of this hotel as well as other governments and the UN. To be honest, it was a compound with high concrete walls and barbed wire on top of that. Inside was palms trees, grass and a swimming pool, surrounded by patios, but not very nice as you might think. High humidity and weather age these facilities very quickly and everything smells mildewed. Hotel guards always present at a single huge wooden door coming in from a side street. You didn't go anywhere except in specific cabs affiliated with the hotel.

I've never seen such poverty in my life. Driving in from the airport it was enough to make you cry. All roads were filled with walking locals and street merchants and small run down buildings that were pathetic. The only cars were either decades old or newer SUV's operated by ???? I went to a police storage facility. No power, no water, no furniture, no phones (before cell phones) and few windows. It just looked like something abandoned decades before that you would see in an old movie. No uniforms for the police either.

It's an incredibly poor nation with very corrupt politicians who take all the money. There might have been better places I didn't see, but I didn't feel like sightseeing. :shock: :shock: :shock:

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Re: Trump and Puerto Rico

Postby Rufus T. Firefly » Mon Oct 02, 2017 4:29 pm

up148 wrote:Haiti was one of the lowest and scariest....


My previous boss had traveled there and he wold have agreed with you - when he was there the Ton-Ton Macoute was still there driving all the taxis.....
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Re: Trump and Puerto Rico

Postby webenda » Mon Oct 02, 2017 10:24 pm

MurphOnMillerAve wrote:
HONDO74 wrote:There are many more islands in the Caribbean that were also destroyed. The US is responsible for 3, Puerto Rico, US Virgin Island and A small one called Navassa. The UK, France and the Netherlands are responsible for theirs. The rest are either independent nations or part of the Caribbean commonwealth.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_s ... _Caribbean

As far as help goes we sure don't need any from the UN like what Haiti got back when they had the earthquake and the UN peacekeepers brought in had cholera. The cholera epidemic imported by United Nations peacekeepers began killing thousands of Haitians.

How was that done? (I never heard of that.)

I haven't seen a clear answer to your question yet Murph.

A panel of experts appointed by the U.N. found that the strain of cholera that popped up in Haiti was "a perfect match" for a strain found in Nepal. Nepalese peacekeepers were staying at the U.N. camp, and poor sanitation sent sewage from the camp into local waterways.

Admitting this does not indicate a change in the organization's legal position that it is absolutely immune from legal actions.

As Jason reported, U.N. officials are concerned that if the U.N. is held responsible for the cholera outbreak, it will be vulnerable to lawsuits around the world over actions of its peacekeeping forces.

The above is from a New York Times report. Hope that helps your understanding of how the UN operates.
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Re: Trump and Puerto Rico

Postby MurphOnMillerAve » Mon Oct 02, 2017 11:02 pm

webenda wrote:
MurphOnMillerAve wrote:
HONDO74 wrote:There are many more islands in the Caribbean that were also destroyed. The US is responsible for 3, Puerto Rico, US Virgin Island and A small one called Navassa. The UK, France and the Netherlands are responsible for theirs. The rest are either independent nations or part of the Caribbean commonwealth.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_s ... _Caribbean

As far as help goes we sure don't need any from the UN like what Haiti got back when they had the earthquake and the UN peacekeepers brought in had cholera. The cholera epidemic imported by United Nations peacekeepers began killing thousands of Haitians.

How was that done? (I never heard of that.)

I haven't seen a clear answer to your question yet Murph.

A panel of experts appointed by the U.N. found that the strain of cholera that popped up in Haiti was "a perfect match" for a strain found in Nepal. Nepalese peacekeepers were staying at the U.N. camp, and poor sanitation sent sewage from the camp into local waterways....

That surely covers it and with a straight line, no less. Thank you, Wayne.

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Re: Trump and Puerto Rico

Postby up148 » Tue Oct 03, 2017 3:21 pm

Rufus T. Firefly wrote:
up148 wrote:Haiti was one of the lowest and scariest....


My previous boss had traveled there and he would have agreed with you - when he was there the Ton-Ton Macoute was still there driving all the taxis.....


For such a small 3rd world country, that lacked so much of the basic necessities of life, it was very politically charged as I remember. You couldn't ask about or discuss the country and its horrible condition, without the name François "Papa Doc" Duvalier coming up. Political corruption at it's finest. Forgot who was in power at the time of my visit, but he was just as corrupt and elections were coming up in a year, with another corrupt opposition leader running.

I remember the island was preparing for Madeleine Albright to arrive, but don't remember if this was when she was Secretary of State or in her UN role. But, it was a big deal and I was glad I was leaving before her arrival, as the locals were worried about violence.

Haiti was the 3rd Caribbean country I visited in the 80's-90's and soldiers with machine guns strolling were present at all.

My 1st experience was Trinidad, in the mid 80's, which is a pretty peaceful little country, but lots of poverty. You either had a job and lived in some kind of house or had no job and lived on a huge hillside, 500-600 foot tall, overlooking the town of Port-Au-Prince. Your home was a makeshift metal and cardboard shack and there were thousands of them. The cab driver pointed it out to me, but being night and no electricity in "shacktown" as they called it, there was nothing to see, just the overpowering stink. The next day in sunlight it was overwhelming.

I was a pup as a world traveler back then and never actually became a globe trekker. I avoided overseas travel whenever I could and just wanted to stay in the "good old" USA. Best part of any overseas trip to me was getting on the aircraft for the trip home. Anyway, I arrived on a Friday night about 10PM. Cleared customs and went towards the door to catch a cab to the hotel. I remember looking out the terminal door and seeing nothing but a sea of darkness and thinking "steady boy". No parking lot lights, no street lights, just hundreds of locals selling everything from trinkets to food and singing on the terminal steps. Several small fires over in the trees with lots of people standing around. The adrenalin was peaking that night and although I was scared sh+tless, I didn't want to show it. I could handle myself in most situations, but I wasn't prepared for this.

I wasn't one step out the door when a black (everyone was) soldier with a machine gun grabbed my arm. He asked where I was going and when he learned, he told me to never walk outside that airport terminal by myself at night. He walked me through crowd of locals selling their BS and down to a cab and put me in it. He told the driver where I was going and asked to see the driver's cab license which he wrote down. Trust me, this solder was my new best friend and I thanked him and told him so. I was just about the only white man at the airport, except for some VIP's in suits who were whisked away to waiting cars.

I made several trips to Trinidad before our business was concluded and within a month I was an old hand at arriving and departing. But, the scenario was always the same. Hundreds of locals greeting and selling trinkets, food, statues and "Hot Roti" to anyone who would buy.


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Re: Trump and Puerto Rico

Postby Rufus T. Firefly » Tue Oct 03, 2017 3:48 pm

up148 wrote:Anyway, I arrived on a Friday night about 10PM. Cleared customs and went towards the door to catch a cab to the hotel. I remember looking out the terminal door and seeing nothing but a sea of darkness and thinking "steady boy". No parking lot lights, no street lights..........


That describes one of my trips to Missouri, :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: Trump and Puerto Rico

Postby HONDO74 » Tue Oct 03, 2017 5:00 pm

Rufus T. Firefly wrote:
up148 wrote:Anyway, I arrived on a Friday night about 10PM. Cleared customs and went towards the door to catch a cab to the hotel. I remember looking out the terminal door and seeing nothing but a sea of darkness and thinking "steady boy". No parking lot lights, no street lights..........


That describes one of my trips to Missouri, :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


Must have been St Louis. :wink: :mrgreen: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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