How Stupid Are They?

[MurphOnMillerAve]

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[Rufus T. Firefly]

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I don't dwell on it - not worth any time or energy. Just reinforces my opinion that these folks that want to be elected to any of these offices are the 1st ones that should be disqualified. They may have started out with good intentions but very, very few seem immune to corruption.

I assume you don't believe corruption started with the current crop of politicians. E.g. Boss Tweed in NYC in the 19th Century.

No. It's endemic to the species.

[rex desilets]

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I don't dwell on it - not worth any time or energy. Just reinforces my opinion that these folks that want to be elected to any of these offices are the 1st ones that should be disqualified. They may have started out with good intentions but very, very few seem immune to corruption.

I assume you don't believe corruption started with the current crop of politicians. E.g. Boss Tweed in NYC in the 19th Century.

No. It's endemic to the species.

Possibly excepting the respondents on these fora....

[Rufus T. Firefly]

I assume you don't believe corruption started with the current crop of politicians. E.g. Boss Tweed in NYC in the 19th Century.

No. It's endemic to the species.

Possibly excepting the respondents on these fora....

No. It's simple frail human nature. There are no exceptions.

The 1st step forward is to be aware of and admit that the potential exists and then to be able to resist succumbing to temptation.

Most organized religions provide some examples and "how to" behaviors that one can emulate to avoid failure.

[HONDO74]

Over the weekend there was a football game played in London UK between the Baltimore Ravens and the Jacksonville Jaguars. And of course they continue their protest against the US national anthem buy taking a knee when it was played. But then they stood for the British national anthem, "God Save the Queen". So how stupid are they, Ignorant is probably a more appropriate word. It was the British that introduced slaves in this country. Started in 1619, The British sent three million Africans into slavery.

And then before a Washington REDSKIN game several of them take a knee. Wait, shouldn't they also be protesting the REDSKIN name. Looks like it's time to change the name.

If the National Anthem is such a divisive distraction for the NFL players, Maybe it would be better to stop playing it.

The flag and national anthem are being condemned today because slavery existed under them. But it was that same flag and national anthem that eliminated slavery and thousands died to secure that freedom and eliminate oppression.

There are alternative ways to address the racial issues

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[quoteThere are alternative ways to address the racial issues][/quote]


Not if you're a large percentage of the black population today! You would barely get a chance to explain that without being called a racist. Amazing how that gate is allowed to swing only one way.


BH

[MurphOnMillerAve]

... You would barely get a chance to explain... without being called a racist. Amazing how that gate is allowed to swing only one way.
BH

I'm not sure how amazing (I've come to expect it) that is, but I certainly do agree with you, based on the yapping I've seen on TV, as well as via real life yapping. It makes me wonder sometimes, what is the goal? What is going to be enough?

[rogruth]

... You would barely get a chance to explain... without being called a racist. Amazing how that gate is allowed to swing only one way.
BH

I'm not sure how amazing (I've come to expect it) that is, but I certainly do agree with you, based on the yapping I've seen on TV, as well as via real life yapping. It makes me wonder sometimes, what is the goal? What is going to be enough?

To send the white folks back to where they came from.

[MurphOnMillerAve]

Over the weekend there was a football game played in London UK between the Baltimore Ravens and the Jacksonville Jaguars. And of course they continue their protest against the US national anthem buy taking a knee when it was played. But then they stood for the British national anthem, "God Save the Queen". So how stupid are they, Ignorant is probably a more appropriate word. It was the British that introduced slaves in this country. Started in 1619, The British sent three million Africans into slavery.
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You have made so many excellent points, I am going to address just one of them for now. But I admire you for your courage in stating what you have.
Regarding the British bringing the Africans to the USA, given the subsequent expenses involved, right down to this day, maybe we should send them - the British - a bill?
Murph (and you may quote me.)

[HONDO74]

Other things the British did.

Until the late 18th century, indentured servitude was very common in British North America. It was often a way for poor Europeans to immigrate to the American colonies: they signed an indenture in return for a costly passage. After their indenture expired, the immigrants were free to work for themselves or another employer. The consensus view among economic historians and economists is that indentured servitude occurred largely as "an institutional response to a capital market imperfection.

n 1838 with the abolition of slavery at its onset, the British were in the process of transporting a million Indians out of India and into the Caribbean to take the place of the African slaves in indenture-ship. For women specifically, looking for what they believed to be a better life in the colonies, were sought after and recruited at a much higher rate than men due to the high population of men already in the colonies.

I was watching an old movie the other night that got me to thinking about indentured servitude.
Unconquered "1947" with Gary Cooper and Paulette Goddard. To avoid execution on a trumped-up charge, Abby (Paulette Goddard) agrees to be enslaved in the British colonies of North America.

[robert.]

Here is a different take on standing for god save the queen. What is those player had so much respect for their host that they stood? If you go to your neighbor's house and he takes of his shoes will you?
Watch a rugby game with some Northern Ireland boys in it. Then tell me if they stand for god save the queen. Even at tournaments in the USA they won't stand for it but they will stand for our anthem.

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BH

[robert.]

I hear you loud and clear. In fact I would not go to England to play. Playing NFL games in England is bs. The NBA makes players stand for our anthem. I don't know if the NFL made player stand for god save the queen. They may have. Some bs code of conduct. In a little while will what side the money fell on. Pro kneel or con.

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Since (according to the media) these kneeling football players are protesting police brutality of blacks, oppression of blacks and black injustice in our society, my comments regarding slavery (which they apparently aren't protesting) are extraneous and I deleted them. And, standing or kneeling during the playing of "God Save The Queen" is kind of irrelevant.

I disagree with what they are doing in this country, but that is my personal feelings.

BH

[HONDO74]

Since (according to the media) these kneeling football players are protesting police brutality of blacks, oppression of blacks and black injustice in our society,
BH

And yet Blacks killing each other in the big cities in not a problem. That is where these sport athletes could make a difference. Because what they are doing now is not going to work.