Seen in Print

[Rufus T. Firefly]

Probably will appeal to that segment of the population that also believes that the Flintstones was a documentary // reality show.

The Flintstones was not the first documentary concerning humans living with dinosaurs.

Never stated it was......

[MurphOnMillerAve]

Back when I was a boy (circa1954), there was a comic book,Turok, which featured a Native American dinosaur hunter. We all liked him because he was cool, built, and messed with dinosaurs (which we used to make regular weekend pilgrimages to visit at the Carnegie Museum in Oakland.) I used to have every issue but sold them all to my high school physics teacher(along with my Schwinn Black Phantom bike) when I left for college.

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Probably will appeal to that segment of the population that also believes that the Flintstones was a documentary // reality show.

The Flintstones was not the first documentary concerning humans living with dinosaurs.

Never stated it was......

Didn't say you did.

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Back when I was a boy (circa1954), there was a comic book,Turok, which featured a Native American dinosaur hunter. We all liked him because he was cool, built, and messed with dinosaurs (which we used to make regular weekend pilgrimages to visit at the Carnegie Museum in Oakland.) I used to have every issue but sold them all to my high school physics teacher(along with my Schwinn Black Phantom bike) when I left for college.

I don't remember Turok, but then I was more into Mickey Mouse comics than any other kind.

[MurphOnMillerAve]

Yes, I am well aware, now, of how slick my teacher was. He gave me $100 for the stack of comics and $100 for the bike. Somehow I knew I was making a mistake , but the cash seemed the juicier option.
But what does a 16 year old really know of the world ?

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And talk about a "so what?" !!Who cares about Ober's Paradox? You and ....?

Anyone interested in, "And God said: “Let there be light.” Then there was light." --Genisis 1:3

Pretty sure that's Genesis.......and if you want to indulge in literal acceptance of the Bible try taking it all as a whole vs. cherry picking. It'll be far more entertaining,

The cherry I picked fit the moment. Quoting the whole of Genesis would not have made the point about light (which is what Ober's paradox is about.)

I am on my third reading of the whole bible, but it hasn't improved my spelling ability.

Reading again is improving my understanding of scripture. I am in Daniel now. Figured out why so much of Daniel was written in Aramaic. Also figured out why Daniel refused the purple clothes, a gold necklace, and rule as the third one in the kingdom before he read the writing on the wall, then accepted after reading the writing. (Didn't have Google first two times I read the bible.)

[HONDO74]

[MurphOnMillerAve]

...Quoting the whole of Genesis would not have made the point about light (which is what Ober's paradox is about.)

I am on my third reading of the whole Bible... ...

Yes, indeed, sir, the concept of light would be key, whether one is considering a Scriptural view/understanding of the Universe and its limitless wonders, or an astrophysical approach, LIGHT would be key.

I accept and rejoice in both perspectives: Faith is belief in something that cannot be/has not been proven.
For me, Faith is epitomized by a simple, brief statement: Hoc est corpus meum. Can I prove that? You would have to look inside my heart for that answer, the only place to find it, in any clarity at all, for me.

AND I have looked out over enough unobstructed wide expanses of an ocean to see the curve of the Earth.
Murph

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I accept and rejoice in both perspectives: Faith is belief in something that cannot be/has not been proven.

I have an alternative definition, from scripture...

Faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen.
--Hebrews 11:1 New Revised Standard Version Catholic Edition

For me, Faith is epitomized by a simple, brief statement: Hoc est corpus meum.

See Hebrews 11: 1.

AND I have looked out over enough unobstructed wide expanses of an ocean to see the curve of the Earth.
Murph

You were not seeing the curve of the Earth.

There is a limit to how far you can see at sea (about 3 miles) and this limit (the horizon) forms a circle around you. This circle is the curve you saw. It is a result of the curvature of the earth*, but this curve is not the curvature of the earth--the raduis of the earth is 3,959 mi, far too big to be detectable in the few miles that you can see.

*Ironicly, this limit to how far you can see is proof of a spherical Earth.

[MurphOnMillerAve]

All very interesting, Wayne. Thanks for the refreshing conversation. I'll look further into each point you made, for the further edification of doing so, no doubt.

[Big Jim]

You were not seeing the curve of the Earth.

There is a limit to how far you can see at sea (about 3 miles) and this limit (the horizon) forms a circle around you. This circle is the curve you saw. It is a result of the curvature of the earth*, but this curve is not the curvature of the earth--the raduis of the earth is 3,959 mi, far too big to be detectable in the few miles that you can see.

*Ironicly, this limit to how far you can see is proof of a spherical Earth.

Many years ago I was driving through a wide open portion of our valley locale. There was not a cloud in the sky, except for a jet airplane contrail that stretched from horizon to horizon high overhead. The earth's curvature could be plainly seen in the constant altitude of the contrail across the sky. Then to top that off was the contrail's moving shadow as it passed between the sun and earth. A very memorable event!

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IMHO, we live in a very screwed up and ignorant society, who think sports (of any kind) are about the most important activity in life. I saw it beginning in the 70's, but never believed it could go this far. There certainly is more to life than watching sports. I have a brother-in-law who plops down in from of ESPN every night as soon as he gets home and doesn't quit until he goes to bed. Nice guy, but a world class "clueless" individual, even though he has a BS degree.

BH

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The clown evil spreads:
https://www.timesofisrael.com/clowns-on ... hern-town/

[MurphOnMillerAve]

The clown evil spreads:
https://www.timesofisrael.com/clowns-on ... hern-town/

This Halloween is going to be interesting.

[Rufus T. Firefly]

Useful for 30+ years and counting.......