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Re: Seen in Print

Postby up148 » Wed Jun 28, 2017 12:00 pm

gram·mar
ˈɡramər/Submit
noun
the whole system and structure of a language or of languages in general, usually taken as consisting of syntax and morphology (including inflections) and sometimes also phonology and semantics.
synonyms: syntax, sentence structure, rules of language, morphology; linguistics
"the editors of this newspaper need a refresher course in grammar"
a particular analysis of the system and structure of language or of a specific language.
a book on grammar.
plural noun: grammars
"my old Latin grammar"

In today's world, mainstream population can't spell it or use it right. :D :D :D :D :D

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Re: Seen in Print

Postby rogruth » Wed Jun 28, 2017 12:28 pm

The spelling for grammar will soon be gramr or grmr the it seems to be going.
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Re: Seen in Print

Postby E7 » Wed Jun 28, 2017 12:40 pm

up148 wrote:gram·mar
ˈɡramər/Submit
noun
the whole system and structure of a language or of languages in general, usually taken as consisting of syntax and morphology (including inflections) and sometimes also phonology and semantics.
synonyms: syntax, sentence structure, rules of language, morphology; linguistics
"the editors of this newspaper need a refresher course in grammar"
a particular analysis of the system and structure of language or of a specific language.
a book on grammar.
plural noun: grammars
"my old Latin grammar"

In today's world, mainstream population can't spell it or use it right. :D :D :D :D :D

BH


Butch, OMG, LOL, doncha no TXTing is where it's at! No cursive, no spelling, can't even sign my name cept maybe "X"!

My attempt at humor regarding a subject that is really, NOT so funny. We are propogating a F*CKING country of idiot illiterates and the semi-conductor will be the downfall of the human race. They who decided to stop teaching cursive and allow calculators in classes, should be neutered.

End of Old Farts Rant! :mrgreen:
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Re: Seen in Print

Postby rogruth » Wed Jun 28, 2017 1:05 pm

Repeat the old farts above rant.
I have given my age too many times. I have been lucky to get to 83. And surprised.
Don't know how much longer I'll be around. Nothing bad wrong with my health but who knows.
I don't think I like where things are going in our world and I don't think there is anything I can
do about it except watch it happen.
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Re: Seen in Print

Postby Rufus T. Firefly » Wed Jun 28, 2017 1:14 pm

E7 wrote:They who decided to stop teaching cursive and allow calculators in classes, should be neutered.


Really?

So what do you really need cursive for; what do you actually use it for other than to write a check and sign your name? I have not used it in decades other than to scribble totally illegible red ink notes on manuscripts. The inability to use cursive has nothing to do with grammar and proper use of language. I'd be more concerned about the decision to stop teaching spelling and then grammar, but before that I'd more worried about finding teachers that could actually teach either.

Calculators? I think most people would die of old age before they managed to take a cube root using paper and pencil.....or balance their checkbook.......or derive the motion of the planets at a blackboard.
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Re: Seen in Print

Postby MurphOnMillerAve » Wed Jun 28, 2017 2:50 pm

Rufus T. Firefly wrote:
E7 wrote:They who decided to stop teaching cursive and allow calculators in classes, should be neutered.


Really?

So what do you really need cursive for; what do you actually use it for other than to write a check and sign your name? I have not used it in decades other than to scribble totally illegible red ink notes on manuscripts. The inability to use cursive has nothing to do with grammar and proper use of language. I'd be more concerned about the decision to stop teaching spelling and then grammar, but before that I'd more worried about finding teachers that could actually teach either...

For what it may be worth to the conversation:
(Fair warning, here comes a tome.)
Just last week, I completed the enormous privilege of tutoring a nine, then ten year old, boy, in his parochial school, bringing to a close two academic years of strengthening his motivation to learn, dissolving away his fear of making mistakes, and strengthening his ability to use language, particularly when reading and writing. Like so many children these days, he could verbalize quite well.

Just this past month, we serendipitously made the move from his printing everything into his journal, which we call "The Book of Matthew," his record of accomplishment as well as one of the learning-tools we utilized, to using cursive. Once he saw that I had used cursive to write several words into my notes in front of him, he immediately changed to using cursive in his journal, without my prompting, his having known all along how to write that way, too. We ended the academic year utilizing both printing and cursive, whichever seemed to suit him the most at any given moment. I learned something that day, too. :D

Regarding grammar and spelling, from the very first day in our little two-desk cubbyhole at the end of the school hallway, we decoded the language, one letter at a time, every vowel and consonant, root , prefix, and suffix in front of us, derived from his regular classroom- assigned reading and worksheets, as well as from his musings and stories he related to me in his observations about life; diphthongs and schwas included, etc.

Here's just one example of how clever he is and of how well he paid attention and learned - grew. He told me the short story of the recent vacation he and his family had taken to Arizona, from which he had brought me the gift of a souvenir medallion. I put aside what I had planned to begin our lesson that day and started with the word "vacation". We looked at its root, "vacate." WE voiced its long "a" sounds and took note of the silent "e". When I asked him where the "e" had gone from the word "vacate" in "vacation," he said, "It went on vacation" (!!!!!!!!!!) We both howled in laughter and congratulated ourselves for his obvious victory with language. I cannot even describe to you how truly gratified I felt.

You see, from the start, I established the custom of bringing with me a little bag of objects (all of which he got to keep) which related to the sounds that were the focus of each day's lesson. For example, on the day I determined to teach the silent sound of "b" which occurs in some words, such as "lamb" and "plumb," I brought in a small handheld bricklayer's level. We checked our desks for their being level or not, and then we checked the wall for its being "plumb." He had his eureka moment, of course. Every subsequent silent "b" word we examined was quickly dispatched in his victory over those might-have-been problem words.

Phonics and dissecting every word and every sentence for the full meaning and sound contained in every word and syllable paid dividends for Matthew. Instead of being horrified to read in class, he now moves toward winning over those challenges. He would, literally, run to meet me for the start of each class session, to our little sport at the end of the hallway. He hugs me hello whenever he sees me anywhere, which I take as a blessing.

So, yes, I support the conviction that grammar and spelling are important. I acknowledge how influential the computers can be, with their spell-checks and other aids. However, no computer gave Matthew the confidence to read and to write. His analysis of every word he met with me helped him learn how to conquer language and make it useful for him in his life.
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Re: Seen in Print

Postby E7 » Wed Jun 28, 2017 3:54 pm

Rufus T. Firefly wrote:
E7 wrote:They who decided to stop teaching cursive and allow calculators in classes, should be neutered.


Really?


Sharpening my Kukri! :mrgreen: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Re: Seen in Print

Postby up148 » Wed Jun 28, 2017 4:14 pm

E7 wrote:
up148 wrote:gram·mar
ˈɡramər/Submit
noun
the whole system and structure of a language or of languages in general, usually taken as consisting of syntax and morphology (including inflections) and sometimes also phonology and semantics.
synonyms: syntax, sentence structure, rules of language, morphology; linguistics
"the editors of this newspaper need a refresher course in grammar"
a particular analysis of the system and structure of language or of a specific language.
a book on grammar.
plural noun: grammars
"my old Latin grammar"

In today's world, mainstream population can't spell it or use it right. :D :D :D :D :D

BH


Butch, OMG, LOL, doncha no TXTing is where it's at! No cursive, no spelling, can't even sign my name cept maybe "X"!

My attempt at humor regarding a subject that is really, NOT so funny. We are propogating a F*CKING country of idiot illiterates and the semi-conductor will be the downfall of the human race. They who decided to stop teaching cursive and allow calculators in classes, should be neutered.

End of Old Farts Rant! :mrgreen:
Rich


I really don't text and the few times I do, my kids tell me to quite sending emails, just send abbreviated words. Disclaimer, they both spell better than me and 90% of the people I've been around, but they tell me I'm missing the point of a text. :( :( :(

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Re: Seen in Print

Postby Rufus T. Firefly » Wed Jun 28, 2017 4:27 pm

up148 wrote: .........but they tell me I'm missing the point of a text.


I'm curious as to their explanation of just what the point might be in their opinion.
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Re: Seen in Print

Postby Rufus T. Firefly » Wed Jun 28, 2017 4:28 pm

MurphOnMillerAve wrote:
So, yes, I support the conviction that grammar and spelling are important. I acknowledge how influential the computers can be, with their spell-checks and other aids. However, no computer gave Matthew the confidence to read and to write. His analysis of every word he met with me helped him learn how to conquer language and make it useful for him in his life.


You're also a real bone fide teacher. That makes all the difference.
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Re: Seen in Print

Postby sleepmac » Wed Jun 28, 2017 4:32 pm

Murph, thank you very much of that inspirational story. Glad you are making a difference in that young man's life!

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Re: Seen in Print

Postby rogruth » Wed Jun 28, 2017 7:39 pm

Murph,
Thum(b)s up. :D
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Re: Seen in Print

Postby Tom Dempsey » Thu Jun 29, 2017 2:55 am

Rufus T. Firefly wrote:I'm curious as to their explanation of just what the point might be in their opinion.


I've always assumed they didn't have the patience, capability, or respect for others to carry on a two way conversation with someone else, especially if they might challenge them in any way.

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Re: Seen in Print

Postby up148 » Thu Jun 29, 2017 8:37 am

Rufus T. Firefly wrote:
up148 wrote: .........but they tell me I'm missing the point of a text.


I'm curious as to their explanation of just what the point might be in their opinion.


They tell me text messages are supposed to be short, brief, abbreviated spelling, etc., don't spell OK or okay it "K". I can't go there and fortunately my phone (maybe all do) has some program that once you start spelling, three guess words appear at the top for you to select and it's right about half the time. Certainly made my fumble finger texting quicker. But, I'm old school, my cell phone is off unless I'm going somewhere by myself and then it's on in case my better half tries to reach me. I can't hear well on them and they are just a convenience. My kids don't even have phone land lines at their homes and I expect this is very common today.

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Re: Seen in Print

Postby MurphOnMillerAve » Thu Jun 29, 2017 11:26 am

Rufus T. Firefly wrote:
MurphOnMillerAve wrote:
So, yes, I support the conviction that grammar and spelling are important. I acknowledge how influential the computers can be, with their spell-checks and other aids. However, no computer gave Matthew the confidence to read and to write. His analysis of every word he met with me helped him learn how to conquer language and make it useful for him in his life.


You're also a real bone fide teacher. That makes all the difference.

Thank you, Rufus. That's what I wanted to be my whole life. And hearing that from you has value to me.
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