Seen in Print

[robert.]

After the first year of wandering Moses got angry. tzipora told "him stop and ask for direction.We saw that rock last year". 38 years later Moses whacks at the rock once. He was trying to mark it. Hoping to prove to his wife that it was not the same rock they would pass next year. when he saw the rock in year 40 of wandering. He hit it again in disgust. :

[MurphOnMillerAve]

What kind of "god" is into playing such games? It all sounds like the figment of somebody's overly active imagination.

[webenda]

....because a calendar cannot have a year Zero, so the first year is year one.

Units of time are totally arbitrary and a human artifice, and can start with what number and use whatever divisions are desired, and be changed, revised and edited to fit whatever scheme(s) are in play.

And, that's what I learned 23.7 donkeyballs ago.

There is a year zero in astronomical year numbering (where it coincides with the Julian year 1 BC) and in ISO 8601:2004* (where it coincides with the Gregorian year 1 BC) as well as in all Buddhist and Hindu calendars.

*ISO 8601 is an international standard covering the exchange of date and time-related data. It was issued by the International Organization for Standardization (ISO) and was first published in 1988.

[webenda]

But previously, you said:

Moses and his brother Aaron were asked to "speak" to the rock, not to strike it with Moses' staff.

So, God is changing his watering instructions, effectively expecting old dogs to learn new tricks.

Good for you Roy. When I get home I will compare the two instructions and give you a response.

"Old dogs" is correct. Moses was 80 years old when he was commissioned to lead the Israelites out of Goshen in the Land of Egypt. Moses was 120 years old when they finally made it to the promised land of Canin.

Different locations, different rocks, required different methods?

When the Israelites camped at Rephidim (location 7 on map) here was no water for the people to drink.

God said to Moses: “Go ahead of the people, and take with you some of the elders of Israel and your rod with which you struck the Nile River. Take it in your hand and walk on. Look! I will be standing before you there on the rock in Hoʹreb. You must strike the rock, and water will come out of it, and the people will drink it.” Moses did just so.

Reference: Exodus 17:1-7

When the assembly of Israelites came into the wilderness of Zin, and the people began dwelling in Kadesh (location 12 on map) there was no water for the assembly.

God said to Moses, “Take the rod and call the assembly together, you and Aaron your brother, and speak to the crag before their eyes that it may give its water" Then Moses and Aaron called the congregation together before the crag, and he said to them: “Hear, now, you rebels! Must we bring out water for you from this crag?” With that Moses lifted his hand up and struck the crag twice with his rod, and much water began to pour out, and the assembly and their livestock began to drink.

Reference: Numbers 20:1-12

Many Bible scholars say Moses sinned because he struck the crag rather than talking to it. Maybe so, but that is not the principle lesson in this story. God himself tells us what principle Moses and Aaron violated. God later said to Moses and Aaron: "Because you did not show faith in me and sanctify me before the eyes of the people of Israel, you will not bring this congregation into the land that I will give them."

Here is the "seen in print" map to keep to the theme of this thread:

[robert.]

What kind of "god" is into playing such games? It all sounds like the figment of somebody's overly active imagination.

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[MurphOnMillerAve]

What kind of "god" is into playing such games? It all sounds like the figment of somebody's overly active imagination.

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I loved when that god made it rain inside the car. Very clever, indeed!

[Roy]

When the assembly of Israelites came into the wilderness of Zin, and the people began dwelling in Kadesh...there was no water for the assembly.

God said to Moses, “Take the rod and call the assembly together, you and Aaron your brother, and speak to the crag before their eyes that it may give its water" Then Moses and Aaron called the congregation together before the crag, and he said to them: “Hear, now, you rebels! Must we bring out water for you from this crag?” With that Moses lifted his hand up and struck the crag twice with his rod, and much water began to pour out, and the assembly and their livestock began to drink.

Reference: Numbers 20:1-12

Many Bible scholars say Moses sinned because he struck the crag rather than talking to it. Maybe so, but that is not the principle lesson in this story. God himself tells us what principle Moses and Aaron violated. God later said to Moses and Aaron: "Because you did not show faith in me and sanctify me before the eyes of the people of Israel, you will not bring this congregation into the land that I will give them."

God didn't tell them what to say, he just said "speak..." When you make a commercial, you don't leave it to the on-camera talent to make up the dialog. Therefore, it was God's fuck-up.

[Rufus T. Firefly]

[MurphOnMillerAve]

...could she have planned that?

[rogruth]

...could she have planned that?

Probably had to freeze and shape the weapon.

[MurphOnMillerAve]

...could she have planned that?

Probably had to freeze and shape the weapon.

That's what I was figuring. Then, she could thaw it out and say, "What weapon?" I further theorize the hapless hubby must have gotten between her and a bowl of ice cream, and it was just too much for her to bear.

[Rufus T. Firefly]

..........and it was just too much for her to bear.

Enough with the bears already,

[MurphOnMillerAve]

..........and it was just too much for her to bear.

Enough with the bears already,

I knew that one was coming. (I'm actually sitting here smiling at that.)

[healey36]

A lot of deep thought went into this:



Healey

[Rufus T. Firefly]

Points there for cleverness.