Seen in Print

[webenda]

I wonder how that number was derived?
I can't even at that.

Really Roger? I thought everyone knew the calendar was started the day the earth was created.
I know it is a bit tricky because a calendar cannot have a year Zero, so the first year is year one.
At the end of year one, the Earth was one year old and the new calendar was for year two.
That makes the Earth 2016 years old now, in the year 2017.

Age of Earth-gif.gif (1.42 MiB) Viewed 2280 times

[Roy]

If the day after Dec. 31, 1 BC is Jan. 1, 1 AD, all the BC dates must be off by two years. Damn Roman numbers!

[webenda]

God was pissed, because he didn't get credit for the miracle.

Right, Moses and Aaron failed to give credit where credit was due.

But, how did Moses figure whacking the rock would work, without a miracle? Was the rock leaking water in the first place?

No, the bible does not say the rock was leaking. Moses figured whacking the rock would work because that is what he was instructed to do. See Exodus 17:6.

And, why was Moses questioning God's power, at this point?

Human weakness.

[MurphOnMillerAve]

I wonder how that number was derived?
I can't even at that.

Really Roger? I thought everyone knew the calendar was started the day the earth was created.
I know it is a bit tricky because a calendar cannot have a year Zero, so the first year is year one.
At the end of year one, the Earth was one year old and the new calendar was for year two.
That makes the Earth 2016 years old now, in the year 2017.

Age of Earth-gif.gif

...and wasn't it handy-dandy that several Roman Caesars were there to help name the months, such as Julius (July), Augustus (August), Octavius (October)....nice and tidy, huh. Too bad the dinosaurs couldn't have kept a calendar, too, or maybe we made all those bones n' stuff up?

[MurphOnMillerAve]

God was pissed, because he didn't get credit for the miracle.

Right, Moses and Aaron failed to give credit where credit was due.

But, how did Moses figure whacking the rock would work, without a miracle? Was the rock leaking water in the first place?

No, the bible does not say the rock was leaking. Moses figured whacking the rock would work because that is what he was instructed to do. See Exodus 17:6.

And, why was Moses questioning God's power, at this point?

Human weakness.

Excellent answer. However, I would add that they were disillusioned, tiredashell, scared (it had been awhile), and very, very hungry. But :human weakness just about covers it all.

Oh wait. I would also add: free will.

[Rufus T. Firefly]

God was pissed, because he didn't get credit for the miracle.

Right, Moses and Aaron failed to give credit where credit was due.

But, how did Moses figure whacking the rock would work, without a miracle? Was the rock leaking water in the first place?

No, the bible does not say the rock was leaking. Moses figured whacking the rock would work because that is what he was instructed to do. See Exodus 17:6.

And, why was Moses questioning God's power, at this point?

Human weakness.

Excellent answer. However, I would add that they were disillusioned, tiredashell, scared (it had been awhile), and very, very hungry. But :human weakness just about covers it all.

Oh wait. I would also add: free will.

You left out a lack of central air....

[Rufus T. Firefly]

....because a calendar cannot have a year Zero, so the first year is year one.

Units of time are totally arbitrary and a human artifice, and can start with what number and use whatever divisions are desired, and be changed, revised and edited to fit whatever scheme(s) are in play.

And, that's what I learned 23.7 donkeyballs ago.

[MurphOnMillerAve]

"...lack of central air," now, ya' see, folks, that is exactly why I keep coming back (for more abuse?), the healthy senses of humor abounding here. Actual humor. Yup." Lack of central air", what a character.

But ya know, I have often marveled (wondered) about how we all survived back-in-the-day when everybody was hot during the Summers , no matter where we lived and worked.

For example, can you imagine working in a steel mill , like my father did, and his father did, and I did (only one summer, though) ! What true hellholes!

Also, there were those hapless (but content, seemingly) nuns who taught me and my classmates in the 1950's April - June classrooms (40-50 kids per class ! Yup. 50!) I have no idea, to this day, how they kept themselves so peaceful and focused, in all those layers-upon-layers of heavy fabrics, right down to the ankles and wrists. As children, we marveled and puzzled over it even then (and you can see what nutcases we were, one in particular monkey.)

Yet, most of us (in my very subjective estimation) were ssoooooooooooooo happy, headed out into the universe ahead of us , in time and place(s).

[Rufus T. Firefly]

"...lack of central air," now, ya' see, folks, that is exactly why I keep coming back (for more abuse?), the healthy senses of humor abounding here. Actual humor. Yup." Lack of central", what a character.

But ya know, I have often marveled (wondered) about how we all survived back-in-the-day when everybody was hot during the Summers , no matter where we lived and worked.

Did not have air conditioning until I was in grad school.......

For example, can you imagine working in a steel mill , like my father did, and his father did, and I did (only one summer, though) ! What true hellholes!

I wonder about the Amish that farm my land and do other work for me........

Life is.

[Tom Dempsey]

Perhaps folks weren't quite so soft back then.

[Roy]

But, how did Moses figure whacking the rock would work, without a miracle? Was the rock leaking water in the first place?

No, the bible does not say the rock was leaking. Moses figured whacking the rock would work because that is what he was instructed to do. See Exodus 17:6.

But previously, you said:

Moses and his brother Aaron were asked to "speak" to the rock, not to strike it with Moses' staff.

So, God is changing his watering instructions, effectively expecting old dogs to learn new tricks.

[Rufus T. Firefly]

Perhaps folks weren't quite so soft back then.

That might be one hypothesis.

[rogruth]

....because a calendar cannot have a year Zero, so the first year is year one.

Units of time are totally arbitrary and a human artifice, and can start with what number and use whatever divisions are desired, and be changed, revised and edited to fit whatever scheme(s) are in play.

And, that's what I learned 23.7 donkeyballs ago.

I wasn't there but most of western civilization went right on back in the 1700s, I think,
when several days/weeks were just skipped to make calendar adjustments.

Donkeyballs? What is that in our archaic time system that most of us still use?
You know, seconds, minutes, hours, days, weeks, months, years, etc.

[Rufus T. Firefly]

Donkeyballs? What is that in our archaic time system that most of us still use?
You know, seconds, minutes, hours, days, weeks, months, years, etc.

I'm going to invoke my inner Humpty Dumpty and declare that a donkeyball as a unit if time equates to whatever I choose it to be—neither more nor less.

[webenda]

But previously, you said:

Moses and his brother Aaron were asked to "speak" to the rock, not to strike it with Moses' staff.

So, God is changing his watering instructions, effectively expecting old dogs to learn new tricks.

Good for you Roy. When I get home I will compare the two instructions and give you a response.