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Samuel Shaw of Drexel Hill . PA a contemporary to Alexander, Egolf and Icken model modeler placing ads in the Model Maker Magazine for his passenger cars 1931-1934 . Shaw offered cars in Standard Gauge , 1/2" scale and later O scale . Has any one ever heard of Shaw? any flyers ? examples of his cars ?
I recently bought a Standard gauge passenger car that I believe is Shaw built. Construction is similar to that of a O scale car on steroids.
Car measures in at 31" dwarfing the Mini-Scale 17/64ths coach at only 22" in length .
Sheet metal sides and covered roof, wood floor and under-body detail . Trucks side frames cast brass wheels construction same as most O scale.
Thank you for your help .
Cheers Carey
Samuel Shaw passenger cars 1930's
Re: Samuel Shaw passenger cars 1930's
I don't know much about that period but those look really nice and seem to be well built for cars from the 1930s.
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Re: Samuel Shaw passenger cars 1930's
I was wondering if the Roberts Lines passenger cars were related to these. Or if not were they derived from an earlier model company. They were cast aluminum I think. Also were the Shaw passenger cars built to 7/16" scale?
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Re: Samuel Shaw passenger cars 1930's
Hello all
Shaw built the Standard Gauge (2 1/8") to proper scale of 3/8" .
The Mini -scale coach shown in the above photo is 17/64ths ....proper scale for O gauge 1 1/4"
Randall cars are cast aluminum , first produced in the late 20's and 30's by Thomas Randall of Chicagoland ... producing a Hudson and 4 passenger cars all castings ..go build them yourself. Scaled roughly at 3/8" advertised to be used on Standard or K gauge .....any one ever hear of K gauge ?
Relic of Evanston, Il produced the Randall cars in conjunction with Thomas Randall's son in the late 70's . They continued to supply castings for the cars now 4 long (28" and 4 short 21" ) with both closed or open ends versions for Bob Thon of Roberts Lines through the 90's when the molds wore out . The engine was never recast as the mold was lost , destroyed, etc sometime in the 30's ..so very few engines were ever cast .
Park trains in 1946 got hold of a Randall Hudson and used it to recast the Hudson with a few modifications ...taking out ads in Model Railroading Oct-Dec 1946 ..... new castings for a Standard Gauge or 3/8" scale engine ..during the race to the smaller gauges ...TT gauge introduced at the same time, did not do well. A few sets of castings may have be sold only a handful remain.
Here is a link to a video of a Randall Hudson pulling 4 of the short cars built to 1 gauge .
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3jTS6YKRxk
Below is a photo of the Shaw car compared to a large Randall 28 and a Liberty Lines ( same size as Lionel) State car 21 1/2"
Also photo of Randall with cars , relic flyer , ad for Park train , Randall Hudson compared to Mini-scale Hudson
The Randall Hudson is crude by today's standards .... but for 1929 it was way ahead of the curve . Unfortunately no flyers , ads , paper work has surfaced on Randall during the early years. He may have been part of a large standard gauge layout to be installed at the Century of Progress in Chicago . The initial builder of the layout failed to interest Lionel to sponsor it and used American Flyer as a back up . The Century of Progress was the springboard for O scale with several major railroad sponsored huge layouts seen by millions . The exposure to scale models running turned the tide of toy train world and the death call for standard gauge .
Cheers Carey
Mi-Loco also worked in 3/8" scale ..producing a Hudson and K4....... as pictured in his 1935 catalog ...photo below ..3/8" scale are the big engines ..17/64th's model the small ones...has any ever seen a Mi-Loco piece in 3 /8" ?
Shaw built the Standard Gauge (2 1/8") to proper scale of 3/8" .
The Mini -scale coach shown in the above photo is 17/64ths ....proper scale for O gauge 1 1/4"
Randall cars are cast aluminum , first produced in the late 20's and 30's by Thomas Randall of Chicagoland ... producing a Hudson and 4 passenger cars all castings ..go build them yourself. Scaled roughly at 3/8" advertised to be used on Standard or K gauge .....any one ever hear of K gauge ?
Relic of Evanston, Il produced the Randall cars in conjunction with Thomas Randall's son in the late 70's . They continued to supply castings for the cars now 4 long (28" and 4 short 21" ) with both closed or open ends versions for Bob Thon of Roberts Lines through the 90's when the molds wore out . The engine was never recast as the mold was lost , destroyed, etc sometime in the 30's ..so very few engines were ever cast .
Park trains in 1946 got hold of a Randall Hudson and used it to recast the Hudson with a few modifications ...taking out ads in Model Railroading Oct-Dec 1946 ..... new castings for a Standard Gauge or 3/8" scale engine ..during the race to the smaller gauges ...TT gauge introduced at the same time, did not do well. A few sets of castings may have be sold only a handful remain.
Here is a link to a video of a Randall Hudson pulling 4 of the short cars built to 1 gauge .
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3jTS6YKRxk
Below is a photo of the Shaw car compared to a large Randall 28 and a Liberty Lines ( same size as Lionel) State car 21 1/2"
Also photo of Randall with cars , relic flyer , ad for Park train , Randall Hudson compared to Mini-scale Hudson
The Randall Hudson is crude by today's standards .... but for 1929 it was way ahead of the curve . Unfortunately no flyers , ads , paper work has surfaced on Randall during the early years. He may have been part of a large standard gauge layout to be installed at the Century of Progress in Chicago . The initial builder of the layout failed to interest Lionel to sponsor it and used American Flyer as a back up . The Century of Progress was the springboard for O scale with several major railroad sponsored huge layouts seen by millions . The exposure to scale models running turned the tide of toy train world and the death call for standard gauge .
Cheers Carey
Mi-Loco also worked in 3/8" scale ..producing a Hudson and K4....... as pictured in his 1935 catalog ...photo below ..3/8" scale are the big engines ..17/64th's model the small ones...has any ever seen a Mi-Loco piece in 3 /8" ?
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Re: Samuel Shaw passenger cars 1930's
Nice stuff!!!
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Re: Samuel Shaw passenger cars 1930's
Carey,
Thanks for the history on Roberts lines/Randell. That answered my curiosity and I was not aware of that history.
Thanks for the history on Roberts lines/Randell. That answered my curiosity and I was not aware of that history.
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Re: Samuel Shaw passenger cars 1930's
Blown away with your extensive knowledge. I had no idea this stuff existed.
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Re: Samuel Shaw passenger cars 1930's
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Thank you for your kind words . I had no idea there was a bit of a "Standard Gauge" movement within the scale world ... and it was even given a nod by early folks at Model Railroading in it's first year of publication (1934) Standard gauge 2 1/8" common 3/8" scale or 7/16" less common !
Also note the confession in O gauge that 17/64 ths is more accurate!
So as the scale model train hobby grew there were some modelers in Standard gauge ... fighting the tide to go small .
I forgot to add the MI-Loco catalog pages ( catalog was out by December 1934 ) ..note huge display of equipment available .both in O gauge ( 17/64ths only please... ) and 3/8" ....1 gauge ...
Whilst researching through MR ..I came across a want ad in 1942 ...someone was searching for Mi-Loco 3/8" pieces .. perhaps me in a former life ... they have to be out there somewhere ....
a 35" long K4 in 1 gauge ....
note "factory" photo..( small house west end of Cleveland) ...look in window ..3/8" scale Hudson ..... where is a time machine when you need one ?
Cheers Carey
Thank you for your kind words . I had no idea there was a bit of a "Standard Gauge" movement within the scale world ... and it was even given a nod by early folks at Model Railroading in it's first year of publication (1934) Standard gauge 2 1/8" common 3/8" scale or 7/16" less common !
Also note the confession in O gauge that 17/64 ths is more accurate!
So as the scale model train hobby grew there were some modelers in Standard gauge ... fighting the tide to go small .
I forgot to add the MI-Loco catalog pages ( catalog was out by December 1934 ) ..note huge display of equipment available .both in O gauge ( 17/64ths only please... ) and 3/8" ....1 gauge ...
Whilst researching through MR ..I came across a want ad in 1942 ...someone was searching for Mi-Loco 3/8" pieces .. perhaps me in a former life ... they have to be out there somewhere ....
a 35" long K4 in 1 gauge ....
note "factory" photo..( small house west end of Cleveland) ...look in window ..3/8" scale Hudson ..... where is a time machine when you need one ?
Cheers Carey
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Re: Samuel Shaw passenger cars 1930's
Carey,
Good info.
Thanks.
Good info.
Thanks.
roger
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Re: Samuel Shaw passenger cars 1930's
Carey Williams wrote: Scaled roughly at 3/8" advertised to be used on Standard or K gauge .....any one ever hear of K gauge ?
Interestingly, the writeup you scanned calls it LGB K track.
Now, having some passing familiarity with #1 gauge, and a tad with "standard" gauge, and the German outfit that re-introduced #1 gauge...but that was 1968.
So how did we end up with LGB track at the time these ads were published?
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Scalecraft:
That Randell passenger car add is from the late 60s' early 70s' time period. That is why they mention and picture LGB track.
That Randell passenger car add is from the late 60s' early 70s' time period. That is why they mention and picture LGB track.
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