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Murph, the Eisenhower myth you speak of is a false story.

Reference: https://youtu.be/Xf222ok1YTo
https://youtu.be/T8y5EXFMD4s

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Murph, the Eisenhower myth you speak of is a false story.

Reference: https://youtu.be/Xf222ok1YTo
https://youtu.be/T8y5EXFMD4s

Thank you, Wayne.
I listened to both interviews you provided, the one of Joseph Campbell and the one of Stephen Hawking, and did not hear either of them debunk the Eisenhower legend.

Joseph Campbell, whom I have long admired (I have his book, "The Power of Myth,") and listened carefully to that interview, in particular , having listened, quite some time ago, to that entire interview between Moyers and Campbell, and heard no direct refutation. In fact, his very mentioning of it (he said, "Eisenhower went into a room full of computers.."; he did not say, "It is alleged that Eisenhower...") may, in some minds, give the myth some credulity, I would postulate.

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Joseph Campbell, whom I have long admired (I have his book, "The Power of Myth,") and listened carefully to that interview, in particular , having listened, quite some time ago, to that entire interview between Moyers and Campbell, and heard no direct refutation. In fact, his very mentioning of it (he said, "Eisenhower went into a room full of computers.."; he did not say, "It is alleged that Eisenhower...") may, in some minds, give the myth some credulity, I would postulate.

Murph, Since you seem to be the one most fixated on this thing, maybe YOU should fire up the old PC and see what you can find. You could even do a latter day recreation of the event (or maybe non-event) by asking Ike's question to your PC.

You might have some fun.

Rich

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Murph,

In the Joseph Campbell and the Power of Myth series that appeared on PBS in 1991 Joseph Cambell tells us indirectly the Eisenhower asks a computer, "Is there a God?" story is an example of a myth applied to a hero.

Just the fact that there are so many identical stories not attributed to Eisenhower (such as the Steven Hawking version) and Joseph Cambell, the master of myth studies, repeats the Eisenhower version, should lead you to conclude it is a myth. In fact, Cambell describes the Eisenhower story as myth in his book, The Power of Myth.

I suspect if you want to "prove" me wrong you could find the story on some website that publishes "Famous Eisenhower Quotes." If you can find it printed or online it must be true, right? I tried and failed to find the quote in question attributed to Eisenhower in the first few pages of, "famous Eisenhower Quotes," after a Google search on the subject. You may have better results.

Get the book out or review the video. The dialog on Eisenhower starts (and ends) like this,

BILL MOYERS: There was a wonderful story about, I think, President Eisenhower, when the computer was first being built. You remember that story?

JOSEPH CAMPBELL: Eisenhower went into a room full of computers, and he puts a question to these machines, “Is there a God?” And they all start up and there’s all those lights flashing and wheels turning and things like that, and after about 10 minutes of that kind of thing, a voice comes forth, and the voice says, “Now there is.”

Well, I bought this wonderful machine, IBM machine, and it’s there. And I’m rather an authority on gods, so I identified the god, and it seems to me an Old Testament god with a lot of rules, and no mercy.

BILL MOYERS: It’s unforgiving, isn’t it.

Now meditate on the Eisenhower story... is it told as a truth, or just a myth added to a hero's legacy?

It is good that you are skeptical. Even when I (or anyone else) give references, the references are not conclusive proof, ever. Stay skeptical.

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Something else to be skeptical of...

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[Rufus T. Firefly]

It is good that you are skeptical. ....................... Stay skeptical.

Good advise.

Now just consider the capabilities of computers just 30 years ago -- capable of conversation and abstract subject with vocals? Let's jump back another 30 to Ike's time when tubes were still in use.

Unless you're watching Colossus: The Forbin Project you can file this in the complete hoax drawer...next to the Chinese diligently cloning copies of Nixon to take over the world.

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[robert.]

Not really from print. Today i stopped at a fedex shipper to ship something. While i was there. A lady says to me " would you like some tree less paper to wrap your stuff with?" What tree less paper? "Yes sir and no tree frogs were hurt in making this paper" " It comes from sugar cane" I looked here right in the eyes and said " You got to be kidding me" "No sir was her reply" I don't know if anyone here ever saw a cane field harvest. Let me tell you more then a few frogs die when they harvest sugar cane. A sugar cane leaf will cut you to bits. Before the cane is harvested it's burnt to remove all the leaves. Every animal in the field runs for it's life. I had a friend that grow up in Puerto Rico. He said "after the fires you could not walk in your yard it would be filled with snakes and centipedes." (The ones that were fast enough to escape the fire) So i told the lady this story and she ran off in a huff.
tree less paper http://www.bestbookprinting.com/app/web ... pdfweb.pdf

sugar can harvest.https://www.google.com/search?q=sugar+c ... QIJg&dpr=1

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[rogruth]

Wayne,
Real?
Where?
I'm not big on apostrophes but I do think commas are needed as shown above.

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I'm not big on apostrophes but I do think commas are needed as shown above.

Or maybe just a bit of imagination, as I haven't met many elderly disabled children that were pregnant! The good news?????? is, we could get in!

[Rufus T. Firefly]

I haven't met many elderly disabled children that were pregnant!

Not many? Then you have met some?

Fascinating........

Or, were they just not pregnant?

[MurphOnMillerAve]

I realize there are some guys who make fun of concerning oneself with grammar and punctuation. In my experience, that is often because they have lacked skill in such matters.

Here is my submission to explain the value of correct punctuation (dare I?):

A woman without her man is nothing.

A woman, without her, man is nothing.


(Heard and copied in an undergraduate classroom.)