Consolidations -- Doorstop and Otherwise

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Re: Consolidations -- Doorstop and Otherwise

Postby Rufus T. Firefly » Sun Jul 19, 2015 12:45 pm

rrjjf wrote:That little Consol looks like a Great Western product. I reworked one of them for a fellow in the Waynesburg PA Model Railroad Club a few years ago and fitted a small Sagami motor in the boiler/cab eliminating the original tender drive. Bill Davis sold me one of these in kit form at the Chicago meet about two years ago. It is on the shelf of future projects. Bill also sold me a Great Western American kit that I passed along to Marty. The Great Western kits are basic steam locos that are well made and with some detailing and care they can be made into nice little locos like the one in the above photo. They are somewhat hard to find though.

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That's a LWS kit for a PRR H-1 -- the CVRR actually had 4 of them numbered 50-53.
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Re: Consolidations -- Doorstop and Otherwise

Postby HHS » Sun Jul 19, 2015 5:58 pm

A thread I can contribute to!
Built by George Stock.
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Re: Consolidations -- Doorstop and Otherwise

Postby sarge » Sun Jul 19, 2015 6:39 pm

Why look!

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Re: Consolidations -- Doorstop and Otherwise

Postby rogruth » Sun Jul 19, 2015 8:25 pm

Sarge,

Refresh my memory, please.

Why didn't British Isles locos have headlights?
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Re: Consolidations -- Doorstop and Otherwise

Postby sarge » Sun Jul 19, 2015 8:50 pm

The rights of way were all gated and fenced, including the level crossings (grade crossings). The exceptions were those railways classified as "light railways/tramways". Light railways had a requirement for the running gear to be completely covered, pilots fore and aft, bells, &c.

On regular railways, it was pretty well figured that even with a headlight you couldn't avoid hitting it after you saw it, and fenced/gated rights-of-way were at least as effective a protection, if not more effective, as open rights-of-way and headlights.

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Re: Consolidations -- Doorstop and Otherwise

Postby rogruth » Sun Jul 19, 2015 9:40 pm

Sarge,

That is what I thought but needed to get a memory bump.
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Re: Consolidations -- Doorstop and Otherwise

Postby jwmathews » Tue Jul 21, 2015 11:26 pm

I like both Geo Stock's Reading "Mother Hubbard" and the WW2 loco. Is the latter model from a British kit? Afaik, no US-made kit or brass import was ever marketed in the US, but I think perhaps such a kit may have been marketed by a UK firm.

A few of those WW2 prototype locos remained in the USA; some at Ft Eustis VA on trackage there used to train Army railroaders. One was used by the Reader RR in Arkansas & I believe is now on a tourist RR. Another from the Alaska RR. coupled to an ex-NP tender that was about a foot wider than the loco, was displayed for many years at the late Monte Holm's "House of Poverty" Museum in Moses Lake, WA. I don't recall where it is now; it was sold to a private owner.

Thpse WW2 Consols are modern-looking in some ways, but are lighter & smaller than most US designs because they were built to fit European clearances & weight restrictions.
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Re: Consolidations -- Doorstop and Otherwise

Postby sarge » Wed Jul 22, 2015 7:56 am

Woody:

It was marketed as a built-up brass model by Metropolitan in Switzerland in 7mm. They're scarce as hen's teeth; I've only seen one other in the USA and even in the UK they're pretty well unknown.

About the prototype, during the 1943-44 timeframe some 400 were operating in the UK in general service and another 400 were stored for the USATC by the Great Western in Wales. By 01JAN45 they had all 800 vanished, sent to France. Quite a few additionally went straight from the USA to Italy and Greece. The Chinese ended up with some as did India and the Soviet Union. Well over 2000 were built and they covered the globe, except (oddly) in Africa and (understandably) Australia. Some did get to Africa but only in the very far North in places like Morocco and Algeria. A few even went to Mexico and South America.

There are several in the UK either under restoration or running, having been recovered from Poland, Hungary, and Greece for the most part. In the US, Eustis still has one on display, there are a couple in Alaska still. TVRM has one as does the Crewe (Virginia) museum. A poppet valve version in being restored near Frostburg MD. The Reader one is either the one in Ohio or the one being redone on the Smokey Mountain Railway in the Carolinas.

Not bad for a design intended to be a throw-away.

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Re: Consolidations -- Doorstop and Otherwise

Postby jwmathews » Thu Jul 23, 2015 5:53 pm

Sarge--

Thanx for info on yr model. Commercial brass from a Swiss firm I think is expensive stuff; I've not heard of Metropolitan but I do know of the late Count Colossi & his Fulgerex company that exported models from Japan as well as European firms. Yr 2-8-0 looks well-built.

Thanx also for prototype info. I didn't know they were quite so widespread. I know that Europe & China use Standard Gauge. Are there any African standard-gauge roads south of the Sahara? Egypt, Algeria & Morocco use standard gauge. I don't know if any RRs exists in Tunisia & Libya. I suppose 5' gauge locos could have been provided to Russia, as US firms had built locos for Russia in past years. ("Russian Decapods" were so-named for a reason.) That's not much of a stretch from Standard Gauge, if cylinder centers allow for both gauges.

Australia had a mix of gauges and probably had no need for additional motive power, but India would have required special manufacture as that country, like Spain, uses 5'6" gauge for its main routes, other than metre gauge and the 2' (iirc) gauge Darjeeling line.
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Re: Consolidations -- Doorstop and Otherwise

Postby sarge » Thu Jul 23, 2015 9:17 pm

Woody:

These locos were built in standard, 5-foot, and 5' 6" gauge. It was one of the beauties of the design; it was easily adapted to multiple gauges during construction.

The buffer beams were a good example of the adaptability. The coupling unbolted completely and a Buckeye/Janney/AAR coupling with the required draughtgear bolted in place. The buffers unbolted too, so a clear conversion with only big wrenches by hand outdoors.

Everything wasn't quite as perfect as hoped. When they used them in Britain they had to redress the flanges to cope with RCH flangeways; close but not identical to AAR. Worse was the engine brake. No-one in the USA had a good handle on what was needed for loose-coupled goods trains so the loco brake was pretty much like what you would get in the USA. Fine for moving the loco and they all had Westinghouse brakes fitted. When they were used in the UK the engine brake was pretty weak compared to UK ones, so they had to take the weak braking power into account when used on non-airbrake trains.

Still in all, a marvelous piece of American loco history often forgotten by Americans. More have been restored in the UK than in the USA and all re-imported before restoration to boot!

Regarding African steam railways, the majority of the railways built under the Empire were 42" gauge and there was an intention of linking them from "Cape to Cairo". Didn;t quite work out but actually got dam close in spite of the interruptions by WWI, WWII, and the British financial collapse after WWII broke the exchequer. I believe the German and French colonies had metre gauge and in some cases standard; the North African railway was standard and operated with WD and USATC equipment (famously Alco RSD-1s from the USATC) after "Torch".

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Re: Consolidations -- Doorstop and Otherwise

Postby R.K. Maroon » Tue Jul 11, 2017 10:52 pm

A bit more bumping. Again, the links to some of the photos are broken now, but many good photos remain. I noticed Allan Wehrle posted his Pearce Tool 0-8-0 a page or two back. This is the locomotive that appears in the "Building the GMC Short Tender" article in the latest issue of OST.

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Re: Consolidations -- Doorstop and Otherwise

Postby Carey Williams » Mon Aug 21, 2017 11:50 pm

Hello Hines and Pearce folks .

Picked up a Hines / Pearce 0-8-0 ...with outside 3rd rail pick ups .. does the drive gear look like Lobaugh ?

Hines seems to have introduced the 0-8-0 in Dec 1947 .... here are some photos found on ebay listed as George Hines 1948 .Note OSHA approved vented spray booth . ..Always hang your engines up to dry.

Does any one have a Hines catalog showing their line of steamers ?
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Re: Consolidations -- Doorstop and Otherwise

Postby Tom Dempsey » Tue Aug 22, 2017 1:19 pm

OSHA would go nuts!!

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Re: Consolidations -- Doorstop and Otherwise

Postby rogruth » Tue Aug 22, 2017 3:11 pm

There are many exceptions to this but some stuff was apparently made to last longer
before OSHA but unfortunately people that made it didn't seem to last as long.
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Consolidations -- Doorstop and Otherwise

Postby R.K. Maroon » Fri Nov 16, 2018 7:33 pm

Carey Williams wrote:Picked up a Hines / Pearce 0-8-0 with outside 3rd rail pick ups. Does the drive gear look like Lobaugh ?


I was going through the old threads again looking for topics to save before the next purge. I noticed that nobody ever responded to Carey's question regarding the Lobaugh drive on the Hines 0-8-0 (a few posts up here). It is a Lobaugh but note that it's not just the gearbox but the sprung driver too. Somebody had to mill the chassis to fit that. Very interesting, and not something you see everyday. I would be interested in knowing what is original and what is retrofit. For instance, are the drivers on the geared axle original, and if so how did the gearbox and sprung journals get added?

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