Hobo Jungle

[Mitch]

"Well, the last thing I remember Doc I started to swerve, then I saw the Jag slide into the curve"

Personally, I'd be happy with another '69 Plymouth Roadrunner.

[sarge]

E-Jags don't slide out of curves. They are the epitome of grace and dignity with very control-able oversteer, sir!

Now a Roadrunner? Go straight, young man. Turneth not the wheel lest the Angel of Death descendeth upon thine arse!

Which certainly can be fun, too, of course.

A car must make me smile or it isn't a car!

[Mitch]

An XKE may have been the tits back then, but the old expression of "they don't make 'em like they used to" and the reply, "and it's a damned good thing!" holds true. A ride in a 600+ HP. Dodge Viper with an experienced driver on a proper road course could make a believer out of you in a hurry.

Our Viper tech was at the training school in Las Vegas and was riding with the instructor. He said they were going into a curve at 110mph and he's white knuckled thinkin' the instructor is gonna hit the brakes, but he said he just tapped the gas, downshifted and floored it, and the car drove level right around the corner. After class, (though he didn't elaborate), I think Terry went back to the hotel for a change of underwear.

[webenda]

I saw the Jag slide into the curve

E-Jags don't slide out of curves.

Confusing conversation Sarge. So Mitch witnessed an E-Type driver who did not know how to counter steer? And you are saying E-Types do not understeer so never slide out of curves but rather slide into curves? Have I got that right? My E-Type tended to do four wheel drifts, I would finesse the throttle to steer. Never tried to slide the rear out with it (chicken.)

I am sure you can induce oversteer in a Plymouth Roadrunner by braking into a turn and then accelerating hard, but am having trouble finding a video to demonstrate.

[Mitch]

Never saw it, Wayne. What I put in quotes is from the Jan & Dean song "Dead Mans' Curve".

[webenda]

Never saw it, Wayne. What I put in quotes is from the Jan & Dean song "Dead Mans' Curve".

Then we will never know about that one, but Sarge knows about this sliding into or out of curves I am sure.

[sarge]

Wayne, mate:

I think you're reading too literally into a lighthearted jabbing back and forth for the pure fun of it. You can pitch an E, though. Stand on the brake in the entry and it understeers. Brake a little earlier just before the entry and tromp it in going in a sharp corner and the rear will come out nicely and snap back when you back off the throttle again. In between, there is a sweet spot where it just drifts the rear following the front which stays firmly planted and it's epic fun

Mitch: I know it's unexplainably irrational, but I'd still take the E over the Viper (having driven both). The Viper, and many many of the new generation of sports cars, would eat an E-Type's lunch. More dependable, faster, some (very few but some) American cars can actually corner now. Practically, the Viper feels too heavy in the hand to me and the cars of today all have far too many gizmos to keep you from spattering yourself across the Nanny-State Countryside. The Jag is light on its feet, nothing to save you when you do something stupid, easy to snap out of a drift, and best of all is that sound; tromp on it and hear the symphony of angels having gnarly sex.

The old stuff breaks, they're not really fast by today's standards; the first things to wear out on a British roadster are the bonnet hinges, but the new cars just have no soul. They're computer simulations.

I'm absolutely hopeless.

[webenda]

The response I was hoping for!
I will leave it with this: http://youtu.be/DEIHXC9cClM

[sarge]

I read it on the screen and often edit it further from there, because I'll forget something in the initial flow of the stream of consciousness.

So the short answer is the bit about when to brake to pitch one was added probably after you read it the first time.

I miss those days!

[E7]

All that I can do now is Dream,Dream,Dream.

Roger,

These cars are like the old Bogart quote from the "Maltese Falcon":

"It's the stuff that dreams are made of."

Rich

[MurphOnMillerAve]

...You can pitch an E, though. Stand on the brake in the entry and it understeers. Brake a little earlier just before the entry and tromp it in going in a sharp corner and the rear will come out nicely and snap back when you back off the throttle again. In between, there is a sweet spot where it just drifts the rear following the front which stays firmly planted and it's epic fun

Mitch: I know it's unexplainably irrational, but I'd still take the E over the Viper (having driven both). The Viper, and many many of the new generation of sports cars, would eat an E-Type's lunch. More dependable, faster, some (very few but some) American cars can actually corner now. Practically, the Viper feels too heavy in the hand to me and the cars of today all have far too many gizmos to keep you from spattering yourself across the Nanny-State Countryside. The Jag is light on its feet, nothing to save you when you do something stupid, easy to snap out of a drift, and best of all is that sound; tromp on it and hear the symphony of angels having gnarly sex.

The old stuff breaks, they're not really fast by today's standards; the first things to wear out on a British roadster are the bonnet hinges, but the new cars just have no soul. They're computer simulations.

I'm absolutely hopeless.

I'm not sure why, but I enjoyed reading every bit of that - probably because I learned something - plenty, actually.

[sarge]

Wayne:

Just watched the footage. A perfect example of the old adage, "less drama is more speed".

Lovely.

[webenda]

Me too (edit after post.) You just answered a question I removed that I put it in prior to your edit and now it should have been left due to your answer to the deleted question. I won't edit this one in case someone responds.

[rogruth]

All that I can do now is Dream,Dream,Dream.

Roger,

These cars are like the old Bogart quote from the "Maltese Falcon":

"It's the stuff that dreams are made of."

Rich

Oh,I know!!!

[rogruth]

I'm trying to picture the "symphony of angels having gnarly sex".

Probably would be better and more interesting than the Romans
or anyone else ever thought of.