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Re: Hobo Jungle

Postby webenda » Mon Apr 30, 2012 6:51 pm

You are up early Jon (0621 HRS.) I was still snoring.
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Re: Hobo Jungle

Postby Rufus T. Firefly » Mon Apr 30, 2012 6:55 pm

Happy Birthday, Jon!

Got the entire class singing for you!

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While your out and about, see if you can spot any UFO's - here's a handy identification chart for you to use:

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Re: Hobo Jungle

Postby jw_clarke54 » Mon Apr 30, 2012 8:18 pm

Happy Birthday Jon. Hydrate often and constantly :D James

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Re: Hobo Jungle

Postby jw_clarke54 » Mon Apr 30, 2012 8:20 pm

Wayne-question-what is that on the top of your roof??or is it miltary secrets??? :shock: :lol: :lol: James sc??

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Re: Hobo Jungle

Postby Berk765 » Mon Apr 30, 2012 9:03 pm

Rufus... :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Re: Hobo Jungle

Postby webenda » Mon Apr 30, 2012 9:13 pm

James,
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Pipe is to exit exhaust gases from house heater above the box on stilts because the box sucks huge volumes of air into the house and we want no CO2 brought in with the air.

The box on stilts is a Swamp Cooler. It has water in the bottom (the swamp) and a water pump to pump the water over aspen pads in the sides of the box.
In the center is a squirrel cage to blow air into the house. Air being pulled through the pads, at first, takes any water molecules hot enough to leave the water (those at 212 deg F or hotter) and be blows them into the house. The remaining water molecules fall off the bottom of the pads and into the swamp. This leaves only cold water in the swamp. After a few minutes of operation the swamp water measures 60 deg F. Now the air being sucked through the pads makes its way through the aspen pads (a very tortuous path) losing its heat to the cold water. When the outside temperature is 100 deg F, air coming out of the cooler measures about 65 deg F. This particular cooler is rated 6000 cubic feet per minute. It cools the house in a hurry.

The reason it is on stilts is because cold air is heavier than hot air. The column between the cooler and roof is full of heavy cold air, which falls into the house without having to run the squirrel cage, giving us cold air for free (almost, the little water pump still has to run.)

Reference: http://swampcoolersonline.com/Products/ ... /TC571.htm
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Re: Hobo Jungle

Postby rogruth » Mon Apr 30, 2012 10:20 pm

I remember those from my Arizona trips.

For anybody as slow as me,it's a desert air conditioner.And it works.
I saw them on all types of buildings including gyms.
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Re: Hobo Jungle

Postby HONDO74 » Mon Apr 30, 2012 11:04 pm

The reason those swamp coolers work out west is because of the lack of humidity in the air. Try to run one in this part of the country and you would think you were in a shower all the time. :lol:
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Re: Hobo Jungle

Postby webenda » Tue May 01, 2012 4:33 am

Robert,

You are so right!

Here is a chart of swamp cooler temperature for different outdoor relative humidity values:
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Keep in mind all that air passing through water saturated aspen pads picks up a lot of water. Most of our hot months in Tucson have relative humidity of 10 to 15% outside. Inside a house cooled by swamp cooler the humidity is about 50%. I don't know why, but during our summer rainstorms here in Tucson, the indoor temperature and humidity numbers are almost the same. When this happens, we either turn the swamp cooler off and sit in front of a fan (dreaming about installing refrigeration on the house), escape to the swimming pool if we have one, or escape to the shopping malls.

I am guessing a swamp cooler would produce the same result in Washington, DC. If you used a swamp cooler in Washington, DC, on a 100 deg F, 75% RH day, the cooler would output air at a temperature of 97 deg F and 97% relative humidity.

Reference: http://www.sugartech.co.za/psychro/index.php

P.S. I was going to show the effect of altitude but the temperature difference between sea level and my altitude got lost in rounding.
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Re: Hobo Jungle

Postby 2railjon » Wed May 02, 2012 11:33 am

Wayne's World!!!!!!! :mrgreen:
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Re: Hobo Jungle

Postby webenda » Wed May 02, 2012 12:40 pm

Nice photo of two (Opuntia santa-rita) Jon.

The internet claims Purple Prickly Pear (Opuntia santa-rita) can get 4 feet tall by 5 feet wide. In my back yard stands one 12 feet tall by 14 feet wide.

12 Feet Tall:
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Bloom:
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Re: Hobo Jungle

Postby Rufus T. Firefly » Wed May 02, 2012 5:15 pm

I have 2 (currently...) Opuntia brasiliensis, one of which is now 30 years old. I grew the 1st one from a single leaf cutting and I keep it at ~8 feet tall while the 2nd is only about 6 feet tall. They winter just inside the front door - guard cacti. They will go outside this Sat. and become porch entrance guard cacti for the next 5+ months.
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Re: Hobo Jungle

Postby 2railjon » Wed May 02, 2012 5:44 pm

you won that one Wayne, but you can't beat my sock monkey cactus!!!!! :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
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Re: Hobo Jungle

Postby webenda » Wed May 02, 2012 5:51 pm

Rufus T. Firefly wrote:Opuntia brasiliensis, ...I keep it at ~8 feet tall


Opuntia brasiliensis (Brazil Cactus) can reach 66 feet (20 meters) height. :shock: That beats our 50 foot Carnegiea gigantea (Saguaro)

Reference: http://www.desert-tropicals.com/Plants/ ... rasil.html
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Re: Hobo Jungle

Postby Rufus T. Firefly » Wed May 02, 2012 6:24 pm

webenda wrote:
Rufus T. Firefly wrote:Opuntia brasiliensis, ...I keep it at ~8 feet tall


Opuntia brasiliensis (Brazil Cactus) can reach 66 feet (20 meters) height. :shock: That beats our 50 foot Carnegiea gigantea (Saguaro)

Reference: http://www.desert-tropicals.com/Plants/ ... rasil.html


Yes, I end up pruning off 2-3' off every Fall when they come in for the winter. They grow like weeds in the DC area humidity.

I just wish I could get them to bloom.
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