Hobo Jungle

[rogruth]

Yeah Wayne.More.

[tonyh]

Murph, the satellite pictures you view are a composite of many, blended together. Due to distortions on the cameras there are discontinuities at the edges of the digital segments that show up as offsets in straight lines when the computers blend the individual photos together to cover large areas.

The computer programs are dumb in some ways. They have difficulties in determining, from a vertical, overhead shot, an element such as a bridge over steep terrain and tries to make all elements conform to the terrain contours. Thus the appearance of the bridge having no supports and simply following the land contours. Stupid computers!!!!

The water discontinuities you observe are just the edges of adjacent photos. Due to cloud cover not all areas are visible at any given instant in time. So photos taken at later, or earlier, dates are molded into the overall mosaic. Sometimes a winter view is inserted into a summer scene!

Hope you are not terminally confused by this attempted clarification!

BTW, I believe the single track photo is just the end of a siding terminating at the edge of a cliff and has nothing to do with the high bridge. Might the hazy horizontal structure in the very distance be a bridge? Maybe THE bridge?

Tony

Dad Gum It! I gotta learn to type faster. By the time I get my answer together a half dozen posts come up!

[Mitch]

Good ol' Wayne, playing games based on the currency of your excellent reputation (...if Wayne posts it, it must be real and true...).....hhhmmmmmm.....very interesting approach. You realize, o' course, this latest Wayne-test puts us all on high-alert, from this point forward,
Murph

TOO LATE!! For me, his integrity has already been compromised!

[webenda]

Good input tony.

The water discontinuities you observe are just the edges of adjacent photos.

How sure are you that it is not what is left of the little dams used to control erosion?

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Might the hazy horizontal structure in the very distance be a bridge? Maybe THE bridge?

I think it is a fence. Probably to keep cows and stupid tourists from falling over the edge into the river.

Dad Gum It! I gotta learn to type faster. By the time I get my answer together a half dozen posts come up!

It is no use Tony. I prepared all my answers yesterday, and still can't keep up. I was hoping to reply to the half dozen posts as fast as I can cut, paste, post, but things interfere. Right now I have to get to the hardware store before it closes.

[dougdagrump]

Sorry Wayne,
Didn't mean to muck-up the fun.

[webenda]

Stop that Doug. Your input was most timely, and better than the one I had prepared. "Go away" was a joke because you saw through my farce.
I thank you for adding information to this thread.

Isn't that a fascinating story? The famous John A. Roebling designed a railroad suspension bridge for the site. And then the railway changed hands.
The new engineering department must not have liked suspension bridges. Isn't that always the way it goes? A suspension bridge uses a lot less material
then the cantilever bridge they came up with.

Your information says, "Work began in the 1850s with towers…"

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I wonder if it was going to be one of Roebling's early designs utilizing chains as suspension components or one using his wire rope invention? His suspension bridge patent is dated 1846.

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Although the drawing is if a chain suspension, the descriptive text says, "Be it known that I, John A. Roebling, civil engineer, of Pittsburgh, Allegheny county,
State of Pennsylvania, have invented a new plan of Constructing Wire-Cable or Chain Suspension-Bridges..." So it could have been either.

Great photo of a chain suspension bridge here: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... chains.jpg

[rogruth]

Wayne,

Thanks for the Shorpy's link.

[webenda]

You are welcome Roger. Visiting Shorpy is like stumbling onto an old, dusty photo album in the attic... fascinating.

[dougdagrump]

Wayne, I had never heard about High Bridge before. But I did cross his bridge between Cinncy and Covington many times as a youngster on my bicycle. The site I went to had a bunch of cool pics, unfortunately they didn't seem to friendly about "sharing" them.

[webenda]

Good ol' Wayne, playing games based on the currency of your excellent reputation (...if Wayne posts it, it must be real and true...).....hhhmmmmmm.....very interesting approach. You realize, o' course, this latest Wayne-test puts us all on high-alert, from this point forward,
Murph

TOO LATE!! For me, his integrity has already been compromised!

Lesson time guys… never, and I mean NEVER, believe anything you read or are told no matter who writes or speaks it. You cannot even trust yourself. What you have been taught, and believe, may be a lie.

Example 1: Evolution of the horse.
Lie: The horse evolved from a small three toed animal to the large single toed animal we have today.
Reference: http://online.santarosa.edu/homepage/cg ... lution.jpg

PBS presented a story of a student who wanted to write his PHD thesis on evolution. In researching the subject he remembered the "Evolution of the Horse" display at the Chicago Museum of Natural History. After obtaining permission to view the records for fossils in the display, he discovered the dates posted in the display did not represent the truth. The horses were displayed in order of size, not date. When the student pointed out to the curator the error, he was told, "All the text books have the date vs. size wrong and we cannot go against the experts--we would lose funding."

So the student had to find another example of evolution. He found none. In his PHD thesis he pointed out, "Species appear in the records preserved in rock strata (and elsewhere) then suddenly disappear (become extinct) with no evidence of evolution." His thesis was rejected for being obviously wrong.

Reference: Unfortunately only PBS shows supporting conventional wisdom on evolution are archived. The show mentioned above may be "lost."

Example 2:The Brontosaurus.
The first brontosaurus skeleton was found incomplete. The museum making a display from the bones available, found a head in the basement and added it to the display.

Later, a brontosaurus was found with the head amongst the bones. Another museum created a display with these bones using the correct head. When an expert came to see the display, he became outraged. The museum director took the blunt of the outrage. The curator of dinosaurs was ordered to change the head. "Go down in the basement and get a head that matches the one shown in the experts text book!" Rather than get fired, the curator changed the head.

Reference: http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Wikijunior ... ontosaurus

Even the wiki reference above washes the truth calling the whole affair an "accident." It was not an accident that the first brontosaurus displays had the wrong head. Thankfully, the experts have died and museums all over the world have quietly changed the heads on their brontosaurus displays. Quietly because they do not want to attract to much attention to the change--in case there is still a wrongheaded expert out there.

Example 3: Theory of flight.
Lie: Airplanes fly because of the shape of the wing. Air has to flow farther over the top so it has to travel faster to keep up with air under the wing. Faster air has less pressure and this pressure difference between top and bottom of wing is what causes an airplane to fly.

Even as late as 1985 I was taught the wrong theory of lift in a class I took at Raytheon Missile Systems. I pointed this wrong theory out to the instructor after class and he became highly irritated, stating that all the text books state that lift is generated from differential pressure between the top of the wing and bottom. All the universities teach flight theory that way. I then showed him a spread sheet showing the integration of wind tunnel differential pressure measurement points across a wing was much less than the measured lift. The instructor told me I must have made a mistake and if I did not like the way he was teaching I could drop out.

Reference: http://www.grc.nasa.gov/WWW/K-12/airplane/wrong1.html

Example 4: Color vision.
Lie: The cones (light detecting nerves in the eye) can be divided into "red", "green" and "blue" cones. These three types of cones are the bases for our color vision.

Lie: The rods are not sensitive to color.

All text books I have read have this wrong and all experimenters that discover there are not three color cones are coerced into faking the results to agree with experts.

There are not three color cones in the eye. Color vision works a different way. There is only one type of cone for all colors. The cone transmits color information by means of frequency of nerve impulses. Some colors excite the visual nerves more than others. The visual cortex creates the color image we see from this frequency information.

The rods are perfectly good color receptors.
Reference: http://web.me.com/mccanns/Color/Rod_%26 ... Color.html

Dr. Edwin Land, after demonstrating that humans can see nearly the full gamut of color sensations with a single wavelength of energy distribution came to the conclusion that there was something fundamentally wrong with the three color theory of color vision. He was brave enough to speak out.
Reference: http://web.me.com/mccanns/Color/Rod_&_L ... 73SPSE.pdf

Dr. Edmund Land had originally planed to use only two colors in his Polaroid Color Film. I repeated his experiments on color vision and my experiments failed completely. But then, my color vision is not up to par. It may be because of people like me that Dr. Land went with three colors for Polaroid Color Film. [speculation]
Reference: Scientific American Volume 237, Number 6, December, 1977, Pages 108-128.

Example 5: My reported death is premature.
PHOENIX--Following are excerpts from a letter received by the superintendent of the Arizona highway patrol, written by a Navajo who was reported killed in a traffic accident near Holbrook: "Yazzie Greymountain is me who is not dead. If I was dead accident, then I coundn't write you this letter, could I? I am not killed because editor of Republic paper says so. He is telling... the wrong truth. I am 100 percent live Navajo Indian."

Example 6: The Wrong Truth
Lie: The sign language shown below means, "Speaks with forked tongue."

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I modified the text in Mallery's image to better state the truth.
Reference: Introduction to the Study of Sign Language Among the North American Indians by Garrick Mallery -- Government Printing Office, 1880

Now tell me, do you guys believe anything I said?

[Lutz K]

Excellent Wayne, really excellent!

You explained the differences between "political correct truth" and real truth.


[IRONIC MODE ON]
Some diabolic questions:
Are people sinners?
Answer A: Yes => o.k., no body is really perfect
Answer B: No => why they aren't extinct?
[IRIONIC MODE OFF]

[rogruth]

Wayne,

So you make some of us think a little more.What's wrong with that? [Waiting for your sure to be interesting answer.]

[webenda]

Roger,

Well... for some people, thinking hurts.
http://youtu.be/lbdR5BhNR-U

[rogruth]

Wayne,

[Rufus T. Firefly]

Lesson time guys… never, and I mean NEVER, believe anything you read or are told no matter who writes or speaks it. You cannot even trust yourself.

Now I want you all to pay very close attention. I am lying.