Hobo Jungle

[healey36]

The Saratoga Monument is located in Schuylerville, NY, scene of Burgoyne's surrender to Horatio Gates on October 17, 1777:


It's open to the public, and one with sufficient stamina can climb the wrought iron staircase to the top. Here's the landing halfway up:


Looking south to Victory Woods, scene of the British encampment and site of their surrender:


Their are places for bronzes of the four heroes of Saratoga: Gates, Morgan, Schuyler and Arnold. Three are occupied...the niche for Arnold is empty:


Halfway down the hill from the monument is the First Dutch Reformed Church...you just have to love a nice old New England church:


Hope you guys had a great weekend.

Healey

[webenda]

Wayne,
WOW!
How strong are the winds?
Other than spreading dirt what kind of damages result?
Does a lot of stuff need to be repainted?
What damage to people?ETC.
Where was the photo taken?

No damage, winds mild, slow moving dust, piles up on cars, makes you dirty if you are outside, finds ways to get in the house, yuck.

A haboob starts with rain in the desert. Because of hot dry air, the rain evaporates before it reaches the ground, but produces cool heavy dense air that accelerates down to the dry desert.

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When the wind hits the desert it stirs up the dust. The dust traveles away from the site at a slow pace.

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The one in the photo was in Phoenix again, they seem to be having an unprecedented number of these dust storms this year. This haboob was 6o miles long and 3000 feet high. Eventually the wind at the source stopped and dust settled on everything.

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Edit 1: added "before it reaches the ground" after "evaporates".
Edit 2: Second image: Was, "sturring"; is, "stirring".

[MurphOnMillerAve]

Thanks, Doc Wayne, for that concise explanation. I had imagined that the winds sand-blasted the paint off vehicles, but I can see from the photo it just settles down on them. Murph

[rogruth]

Wayne,

It looks as if it would cause some destruction.Great that it doesn't other than clean-up cost.

[rogruth]

Healey,

I appreciate the photos of the battlefield area.

They knew how to build monuments when those were built.

I have not been there but have been to Gettysburg and several smaller battle areas.
Even Savannah has as Revolutionary Battle Park.Of course Georgia has many Civil,
oops,War of Northern Aggression areas.When I visit most of these sites I seem to
have a feeling of what happened there in the past [ghosts? ]. Some areas
have placards that describe what happened , some do not. That makes no difference.

I also know some who are greatly affected when visiting Andersonville.
I won't go into detail.

[rogruth]

Somebody,

Won't is an abbreviation of would not, I think.
That also seems to be used for will not.
Is there an abbreviation of will not?

[MurphOnMillerAve]

Somebody,

Won't is an abbreviation of would not, I think.
That also seems to be used for will not.
Is there an abbreviation of will not?

Will not becomes won't .
Would not becomes wouldn't.

[rogruth]

Can you explain will not to won't.
I'm not getting it.I do use it that way but have never understood.

[MurphOnMillerAve]

Can you explain will not to won't.
I'm not getting it.I do use it that way but have never understood.

Won't is an abbreviation for wollnot or woll&not, with woll being an archaic form of will.
That's as concise as I can explain it.

[rogruth]

Murph,

Thank you.
Strangely, I understand that.
Must be because of some of that weird stuff I had to read in English and literature classes like Beowulf and plays by a guy called
Shakespeare who didn't always remember how to spell his name.

[Rufus T. Firefly]

Somebody,

Won't is an abbreviation of would not, I think.
That also seems to be used for will not.
Is there an abbreviation of will not?

It doesn't, and you can't, I won't, and it don't,
it hasn't, it isn't, it even ain't, and it shouldn't,
it couldn't.

[rogruth]

So I won't!

[healey36]

Thanks Roger. I have visited most of the ACW sites in Pennsylvania, Maryland and Virginia. Someday I'd like to visit Chattanooga, Shiloh (a distant relative of mine fell there), Atlanta and Vicksburg. Gettysburg is only twenty miles or so up the road from my home in Maryland. The edges of the battlefield, which includes most of the town, have been terribly commercialized. I find I can only visit it now early in the morning, before the crowds descend and the souvenir stands open. Manassas, Virginia has suffered similarly, although primarily through encroachment of the field. Antietam, South Mountain, and most of the sites in Virginia (excluding Manassas) are relatively intact and undiminished.

If you ever make it back up here to Gettysburg, make sure you go to the Eisenhower Farm. Ike retired to his place after leaving the presidency and it has an aura about it. I've never been to his birthplace in Texas or boyhood home and presidential library in Kansas, but the farm in Gettysburg offers alot of insight into a guy I always figured was pretty under-rated as a chief-exec.

Saratoga has been on the personal bucket list for a long time. Other than Yorktown and Brandywine it is the only AWI site I have visited. They have all offered the solitude and peace to contemplate what happened there, and to be thankful for those who gave the last full measure.

Next year hoping for a trip to Normandy, the Meuse-Argonne, Vimy and "The Last Post" at Menin Gate.

Healey

[MurphOnMillerAve]

Thanks Roger. ...

If you ever make it back up here to Gettysburg, make sure you go to the Eisenhower Farm. Ike retired to his place after leaving the presidency and it has an aura about it. I've never been to his birthplace in Texas or boyhood home and presidential library in Kansas, but the farm in Gettysburg offers alot of insight into a guy I always figured was pretty under-rated as a chief-exec.
Healey

I had heard, while I was in college, that he preferred to let the Congress govern, but nobody proved it to me. Wasn't the Interstate highway system his idea, for military reasons such as speedy transportation?

[healey36]

I believe the Interstate System was an Eisenhower initiative, inspired by the Autobahn network in Germany.

I was too young to remember anything from the Eisenhower administration...I was born shortly after he won re-election in the fall of 1956. I always figured the low-point for Eisenhower was the U2 affair, when he denied over-flights of the Soviet Union (having been assured Gary Powers had certainly been killed after being shot down), and then Khrushchev trotted him out on TV for the world to see. Ugh...