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Re: Whatzit?

Postby E7 » Sat Aug 25, 2018 7:22 am

"While we are on the subject of native American symbols, what do you think this one is. I am sure Wayne knows about it but what about the rest of you. Be careful what you are thinking because you might be wrong."

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Easy Peasy! Something about Hitler taking delivery of his new Thunderbird! :mrgreen:

PS: It was silver.

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Re: Whatzit?

Postby MurphOnMillerAve » Sat Aug 25, 2018 8:01 am

healey36 wrote:
MurphOnMillerAve wrote:Whazzzit?

Onamental masonry on Notre Dame cathedral?

No. But architecture is the correct genre. Yup.

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Re: Whatzit?

Postby HONDO74 » Sat Aug 25, 2018 10:37 am

E7 wrote:


Easy Peasy! Something about Hitler taking delivery of his new Thunderbird! :mrgreen:

PS: It was silver.


The 2 symbols on each side of the bird are called "sauwastika". also called the whirling log. This is native American jewelry.
Notice the legs are in the opposite direction of the swastika.

The swastika (as a character 卐 or 卍) is a geometrical figure and an ancient religious icon from the cultures of Eurasia, where it has been and remains a symbol of divinity and spirituality in Indian religions and East Asian religions. In the Western world, it was a symbol of auspiciousness and good luck, but in the 1930s, it became a feature of Nazi symbolism as an emblem of Aryan race identity, and as a result, become stigmatized in the West by association with ideas of racism and antisemitism.

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Re: Whatzit?

Postby E7 » Sat Aug 25, 2018 11:18 am

HONDO74 wrote:The 2 symbols on each side of the bird are called "sauwastika". also called the whirling log. This is native American jewelry. Notice the legs are in the opposite direction of the swastika.

The swastika (as a character 卐 or 卍) is a geometrical figure and an ancient religious icon from the cultures of Eurasia, where it has been and remains a symbol of divinity and spirituality in Indian religions and East Asian religions. In the Western world, it was a symbol of auspiciousness and good luck, but in the 1930s, it became a feature of Nazi symbolism as an emblem of Aryan race identity, and as a result, become stigmatized in the West by association with ideas of racism and antisemitism.


I am aware of most of that, but it didn't fit in with my mischief. Not really a fan of that paper hanging SOB!

If that doesn't ring a bell check out the film "Patton"!

A poorly executed attempt on my part to lampoon der Fuhrer.

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Re: Whatzit?

Postby HONDO74 » Sat Aug 25, 2018 11:57 am

E7 wrote:
I am aware of most of that, but it didn't fit in with my mischief. Not really a fan of that paper hanging SOB!

If that doesn't ring a bell check out the film "Patton"!


I figured you were being mischievous with the way you posted that. I though maybe I should explain it for others who might mis-interpet what I was presenting and start accusations of posting Nazi symbols. :mrgreen:

We had been talking about native American symbols as Wayne started that and I was just adding to it in a different direction...

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Re: Whatzit?

Postby E7 » Sat Aug 25, 2018 1:03 pm

A touchy subject, no doubt, but one of those things that should NEVER be forgotten considering the magnitude of the atrocities perpetrated against those millions of souls!

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Re: Whatzit?

Postby Mitch » Sat Aug 25, 2018 5:04 pm

E7 wrote:I am aware of most of that, but it didn't fit in with my mischief. Not really a fan of that paper hanging SOB!

If that doesn't ring a bell check out the film "Patton"!

A poorly executed attempt on my part to lampoon der Fuhrer.


Good Lord! Would you look at that! "Where're ya goin', General?" (Patton) "Berlin! I'm going to personally execute that paper hangin' sonofabitch"!

Love it! My favorite movie of all time!
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Re: Whatzit?

Postby webenda » Sat Aug 25, 2018 8:19 pm

HONDO74 wrote:
E7 wrote:


Easy Peasy! Something about Hitler taking delivery of his new Thunderbird! :mrgreen:

PS: It was silver.


The 2 symbols on each side of the bird are called "sauwastika". also called the whirling log. This is native American jewelry.
Notice the legs are in the opposite direction of the swastika.

The swastika (as a character 卐 or 卍) is a geometrical figure and an ancient religious icon from the cultures of Eurasia, where it has been and remains a symbol of divinity and spirituality in Indian religions and East Asian religions. In the Western world, it was a symbol of auspiciousness and good luck, but in the 1930s, it became a feature of Nazi symbolism as an emblem of Aryan race identity, and as a result, become stigmatized in the West by association with ideas of racism and antisemitism.

That was a good Whatzit Hondo.

If you own Navajo jewlery with the sauwastika or swastika on it, you can make up or repeat any story about it you wish.

The truth about the Navajo symbol that looks like a reverse German swastika is that it is nothing more than a symbol for the four cardinal directions, north, south, east and west.

Navajo "Storm Rug" with two symbols indicating storms from all directions.
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Re: Whatzit?

Postby webenda » Sun Aug 26, 2018 10:13 am

I see on the Navajo bracelet four stars. What do the four stars represent?

I find it interesting that all Native American Tribes have a symbol for the four cardinal directions. When I talk to members of different tribes I often ask what their symbol for the cardinal directions is and what does it mean?

The Yaqui Flag
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The Yaqui flag combines the colors of the United States, the land that gave the Yaqui refuge and the form of the flag of Mexico, their traditional homeland. The flag is comprised of three vertical stripes. Starting at the innermost or hoist, the stripes are blue, white and red. The central white stripe being approximately one and a half times the width of the others. The official explanation of the flag is as follows:

The color red symbolizes the blood shed to protect our people, our land, our customs and our religion.
The color white symbolizes the purity of our spirit.
The color blue symbolizes the sky, where our mother, Maala Mecha and our father, Achai Taa'ah are at.
The stars represent the cardinal directions, east, west, north and south.
The moon represents our mother, Maala Mecha, the mother of all creation.
The sun represents our father, Achai Taa'ah, the father of all creation.
The black cross represents the memory of all our ancestors who have died in the many wars to protect our people, our land, our customs and our religion.

When I asked a Yaqui friend the meaning of his flag he repeated the official explanation except said the cross represents Jesus.

There is a sweat lodge on the Pascua Yaqui reservation. One of the tribal members told me that when you enter the sweat lodge to purify yourself you must leave all bad feelings outside. In keeping with that idea, the four directions represent the unity of all Native Americans.
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Back when I was growing up, if you didn't start someth'n, there wouldn't be noth'n.
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Re: Whatzit?

Postby webenda » Sun Aug 26, 2018 4:11 pm

The Thunderbird.
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Responsible for thunder, of course. It is not a word, but a name... the name of a spirit. Every culture has their own symbol to represent Thunderbird. Artists use artistic license to make their own symbol. Every culture gives Thunderbird attributes that they want him to have. You can read some of the stories here:=> http://www.native-languages.org/thunderbird.htm
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Re: Whatzit?

Postby HONDO74 » Sun Aug 26, 2018 4:46 pm

Many years ago I wanted a THUNDERBIRD. :mrgreen:

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However this all all that I could afford. :wink: :wink: :wink: :wink: :wink:

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Re: Whatzit?

Postby E7 » Sun Aug 26, 2018 5:57 pm

It is probably now worth what a real one would have cost back then. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Re: Whatzit?

Postby webenda » Sun Aug 26, 2018 8:14 pm

E7 wrote:It is probably now worth what a real one would have cost back then. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Not yet, you can still get one at bargain prices but hurry before the warehouse runs out of them.

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Re: Whatzit?

Postby MurphOnMillerAve » Sun Aug 26, 2018 8:33 pm

At those prices , it must be small enough to fit in the palm of your hand, like an ornament , especially since Hallmark is mentioned .

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Re: Whatzit?

Postby webenda » Sun Aug 26, 2018 9:33 pm

The bracelet might be worth the original cost of a Ford Thunderbird, depending on its rarity and weight of silver in it.

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