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Re: Whatzit?

Postby MurphOnMillerAve » Fri Aug 24, 2018 7:40 am

webenda wrote:
rogruth wrote:Or Jack fell down and broke something?

Correct Roger, now where is the verb meaning. "to fall?"

If I may, let me offer this perspective:
The arms and legs are expressing the verb, being "in action," raised as though reacting to falling from the cliff face, either alarmed or playfully, as one would jumping from a high position into a deep pool, for fun, and/or maybe jumping at or in the direction of that bird below.

Perhaps, Roger was right with his suggestion about there being water present. Maybe the figure and bird are enjoying some moments at poolside.

The bird pictographs helped me form this hypothesis because birds, like many animals, like to gather at water, for a drink, bath, or frolic. They have their own "action verbs" implicit in their wings-out depiction, which as we know, lasts for only a chosen several seconds, since birds do not just walk around with wings permanently unfurled; they are designed to be folded along the body. Open wings are an action, a verb implicit, as is with the legs in the act of walking, one in front of the other, or simply next to each other, splayed, or while craning the neck, as they might do while standing still (which even in itself is the "action" of being still).
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Re: Whatzit?

Postby MurphOnMillerAve » Fri Aug 24, 2018 8:06 am

An example of the hypothesis I just proposed, above, would be seen in this photo of a painting by Seurat. All of the figures, including the dog, though relaxing, in repose - an action verb - are doing something, by sitting, standing, gazing, sniffing, leaning, lying, caressing, etc. Verbs are implicit in their presentations.

Take note of the figure of the girl toward the right 1/3 of the painting. in a kind of middle-ground. Her legs are almost performing the same "action" as a couple of the birds you showed us, Wayne.

And everybody is enjoying the presence of water.
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Re: Whatzit?

Postby webenda » Fri Aug 24, 2018 9:21 am

You have good reasoning Murph. The birds are action figures. The two upper birds are the verb, "fly" or "flee." There is water at the site when it rains but it is not part of the message in the pictograph.
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Re: Whatzit?

Postby MurphOnMillerAve » Fri Aug 24, 2018 4:34 pm

Then, their presence begs the inquiry:
Fly or flee from what? And why?

Just to be able and to be so motivated as to reach that position on the cliff side to post that alarm implies a serious threat, and one that was a long-lived menace, it would appear.

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Re: Whatzit?

Postby G3750 » Fri Aug 24, 2018 4:57 pm

MurphOnMillerAve wrote:
CWBurfle wrote:Soaking pit..... I had to look that up.

I used to work, as a teenager, under them, in a sewer.


Oh wow! I had a fun day cleaning the grease pits under the rollers in the Blooming Mill.

Yuck!!!!!

The Blooming Mill had soaking pits.

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Re: Whatzit?

Postby MurphOnMillerAve » Fri Aug 24, 2018 5:13 pm

G3750 wrote:
MurphOnMillerAve wrote:
CWBurfle wrote:Soaking pit..... I had to look that up.

I used to work, as a teenager, under them, in a sewer.


Oh wow! I had a fun day cleaning the grease pits under the rollers in the Blooming Mill.

Yuck!!!!!

The Blooming Mill had soaking pits.

George

For conversation sake, this is quite interesting for me to hear, George!
We cleaned the "scale" that fell from the pits (some of which can bee seen here on the interior walls of the pit,) once the bottom doors had been opened, and the scale fell into our sewer. We also had to kill rats with a blast from the firehose we used for the scale cleaning, hitting them just-so against the walls and exploding them. Splat!!! That part was great, to us teenagers. The temperatures were so extreme that we were ordered to sit for 15 min and then work for 15min. If we did not follow that regimen assiduously, we were fired, it was that dangerous for even us teenagers in such sustained heat.

Is the second photo I have provided here like where you worked, George?
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Re: Whatzit?

Postby webenda » Fri Aug 24, 2018 9:43 pm

MurphOnMillerAve wrote:Then, their presence begs the inquiry:
Fly or flee from what? And why?
Native Americans fled from other tribes, from Spanish Conquistadors and from the Hats. "Hats," is what they called the white people.
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Just to be able and to be so motivated as to reach that position on the cliff side to post that alarm implies a serious threat, and one that was a long-lived menace, it would appear.

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There are no birds with wings in the message on the cliff.

A bird without wings is the verb, "to fall." {ANSWER!}
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Re: Whatzit?

Postby MurphOnMillerAve » Fri Aug 24, 2018 9:57 pm

Whazzzit?
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Re: Whatzit?

Postby webenda » Fri Aug 24, 2018 10:19 pm

Hre is Jack the Anasazi.
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Jack is missing his right foot. How do you think he lost his foot? it was injured when Jack fell off the cliff.

Jack's left arm is messed up too. Can you guess how that happened?

This is a warning sign. "Don't try to climb the cliff, you might fall and get hurt."
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Re: Whatzit?

Postby webenda » Fri Aug 24, 2018 10:39 pm

There is more. Over to Jack's right are tally marks to keep a record of how many people have fallen.

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Re: Whatzit?

Postby rogruth » Fri Aug 24, 2018 10:55 pm

Wayne,
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Re: Whatzit?

Postby HONDO74 » Fri Aug 24, 2018 11:10 pm

webenda wrote:
MurphOnMillerAve wrote:Then, their presence begs the inquiry:
Fly or flee from what? And why?
Native Americans fled from other tribes, from Spanish Conquistadors and from the Hats. "Hats," is what they called the white people.
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Just to be able and to be so motivated as to reach that position on the cliff side to post that alarm implies a serious threat, and one that was a long-lived menace, it would appear.

Visitors ? (!)

There are no birds with wings in the message on the cliff.

A bird without wings is the verb, "to fall." {ANSWER!}


Wayne, according to the experts the cliff dwellers left somewhere between 1200 & 1300. That was way before the coming of the white man. ??

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Re: Whatzit?

Postby webenda » Sat Aug 25, 2018 12:42 am

HONDO74 wrote:Wayne, according to the experts the cliff dwellers left somewhere between 1200 & 1300. That was way before the coming of the white man. ??

The Native Americans used the writing and sign language they brought with them from Eurasia some 15,000 years ago according to archeologists (sign language was invented about 539 BCE according to Bible records.) The writing on the rocks is their sign language in symbolic form.

The Anasazi inhabited the canyon lands from 100 AD to 1300 AD and then disappeared. You are correct, no Hats yet.

There are Hats in more recent writing. I included Hats in my discussion with Murph because the flying and falling bird symbols caused Murph to ask what they might be fleeing from. His question was general, not date related and had nothing to do with the Whatzit quiz, although Murph must have thought it did. He thought the figure I call Jack was fleeing upward. As you know now, Jack was not climbing the cliff but falling down from it. Some of the fleeing bird symbols have Hats associated with the story. Explaining who Hats were seemed appropriate.

Garrick Mallory (native sign language interpreter for the U.S. Government) had asked all over the south-west what the writing on the rocks meant and was told, "We don't know, they were here when we came." Then, by chance, he came across someone writing a new story in 1881. When Garric asked what it was the native explained in sign language. At that moment, Garrick realized the petrographs on the rocks were the sign language in writing. I discovered Garrick Mallory's reports to Congress in the Library of Congress. After reading them I found I could read the writing on the rocks.

I discovered a Hat symbol 16 miles from my house. It is included in a story about how the Hats rounded up the Native Americans in my neighborhood and then marched them over the mountains to Fort Lowell. This was likely around 1862 when the Confederate Army took control of Tucson.

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Re: Whatzit?

Postby HONDO74 » Sat Aug 25, 2018 1:20 am

While we are on the subject of native American symbols, what do you think this one is. I am sure Wayne knows about it but what about the rest of you. Be careful what you are thinking because you might be wrong.

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Re: Whatzit?

Postby healey36 » Sat Aug 25, 2018 6:52 am

MurphOnMillerAve wrote:Whazzzit?

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