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[rogruth]

Mitch,

Where did you get that info on teachers retirement pay?
I get 65% of the average of the highest two years of my last ten.
I also taught for 43 years full time and 6 part time and NEVER had
one day of paid vacation.

[Mitch]

And you've been out of the loop for years too, Roger. School boards raise taxes every friggin' year, and the biggest reason is teacher pensions and medical benefits. I'm sick to death of constantly hearing "We need more money for education". Pennsylvania has gone 3 months now with a budget impasse; the stumbling block? Democrat governor wants more money for "education". Read that as teacher's union. Don't get me goin'! It's a sore spot with me.

[webenda]

Mitch,

Is it too late to become an Automotive Teacher in the Pennsylvania School System? Maybe after you retire from your present job.

You qualify for full monthly Pennsylvania teacher retirement pension benefits if you meet the following requirement: Age 65 (or more) with three years of service.

The retirement benefits are as follows:

Pennsylvania Teaching Salaries and Benefits

As a new member, you will choose between two separate contribution options that may fluctuate over time.
If you choose class T-E, your contribution rate will be between 7.5% and 9.5% of your yearly salary.
If you choose class T-F, your contribution will be between 10.3% and 12.3%.

Class T-E
For example, if you worked for 30 years with a final average salary of $60,000 ($5,000/month) your monthly retirement payment would be $3,000. (60%)

Class T-F
For example, if you worked for 33 years with a final average salary of $65,000 ($5,416.67/month) your monthly retirement payment would be $4,468.75.
Reference: http://www.teaching-certification.com/s ... efits.html (82.5%)

Reference: http://www.teaching-certification.com/s ... efits.html
More information: http://www.psers.state.pa.us/

[robert.]

It's just as bad on the east side of the state.

http://www.teachersalaryinfo.com/pennsy ... -district/

look at council rock's pay
http://www.teachersalaryinfo.com/pennsy ... -district/

these are misleading. the articles are from 2002. somebody has done a good job making it hard to find 2015 pay rate for teacher.

[rogruth]

Mitch,

I'm not that far out.
One thing that might be quite different is the lack of union power and control in the south.
That is one reason many industries moved south and that hasn't changed much.
The structure for school finance is also very different between the north and south.
There is also a bit of difference between the standings of students and schools in parts of the country.
Rankings of schools and states concerning education seems to be contrived in many respects.
Too often "facts" are manipulated to make points.

Wayne,

The retirement formula in Georgia is similar

[webenda]

somebody has done a good job making it hard to find 2015 pay rate for teacher.

This one goes to 2012 and implies it is for 2015.

http://www.teaching-certification.com/s ... efits.html

[Rufus T. Firefly]

Too often "facts" are manipulated to make points.

That is something I can agree with totally.

[MurphOnMillerAve]

The Handwritting Workshop was put there by the teacher, which makes it easier for us to understand why our kids still turn out stupid despite spending $28,000 per student on education. But hey!, take heart. The teacher will retire with a monthly pension that is double his/her monthly working wages, and for them, "life is good".

I know. Wasn't a teacher born and dedicated anywhere that was worth a spittoon of spit. All bad. ALL useless. Your bile is well earned by all of 'em - us. Personally, I hang my head low for ever thinking I could have touched any lives whatsoever for the better. I only imagined I ever did any good. Thanks for your perspective, though. I needed that. Good to vent, babes. Sounds eminently fair, too.

Oh, by the way, straighten us out further, were Jesus and Muhammad and Siddartha Gautama teachers, Mitch?

Frank

[Mitch]

Well, Judas Priest, Murph! Are you gonna cry like a little girl? Where the hell did I say anything like that. You're readin' shit in that I never said, and now you got your ****** self pity party goin'. Give it a rest! I said teacher's pensions was a sore spot with me, nothing more, and now you want to come down on me the Hammer of Thor for expressing my friggin' opinion.

[robert.]

Here is one that will turn you red. My wife is a substitute bus driver. Last week her route was considered special needs. she follows another bus. Rides on it's coat tails. Her bus is for students that have English as a second language. 3 bus routes in the morning 2.1/2 hours of driving kids to school. She had 4 students the whole time. never more the 2 on the bus. The bus needs to be a full size bus. This keeps the other students from poking fun at them Ha ha you ride the small bus. Our school district feels there is a high number of kids on this route that use English as a second language. 4 students. That's pretty high. My wife was paid $57.00 to follow another bus driver. Who was paid $57.00 also. The other bus driver had a dozen empty seats.

[MurphOnMillerAve]

Well, Judas Priest, Murph! Are you gonna cry like a little girl? Where the hell did I say anything like that. You're readin' shit in that I never said, and now you got your ****** self pity party goin'. Give it a rest! I said teacher's pensions was a sore spot with me, nothing more, and now you want to come down on me the Hammer of Thor for expressing my friggin' opinion.

Mitch, Calm down, if it's possible. You have a lot of anger. You'll hurt yourself, sir. And I am not crying "like alttle girl"; I am being direct. Not a tear in sight. (I checked.)

I've noticed that when you post information about vehicles, there is great depth and breadth to your knowledge. That is a significant personal treasure. It occurred to me you might like to share that by teaching others in a regular classroom setting. When you have posted information in replies to questions here, you explain as a teacher does, with detail, precision, and patience. Teaching classes to new mechanics may bring an understanding to you of how rewarding and how much joy teaching can be and can bring to students and to those who want to give to the maximum to the profession.

You've been yapping and ranting for quite some time about how unworthy and stupid-making teachers are, hardly ("...put there by a teacher...easier for us to understand why our kids turn out stupid...".) only about pensions, taxes, and vacations, so I decided I had enough of letting it slide by and spoke up to you. Shocking? Not accustomed to a little push-back? In education, we learn to calmly accept and listen to differing opinions, including those of students and parents, as well as colleagues and soooooooooo many "specialists" who feel that because they attended school they know how teaching should be accomplished.

Oh, and in closing, let me quote a bumper-sticker I saw years ago, "If you can read this, thank a teacher."

[healey36]

[Rufus T. Firefly]

Some QC issues remain..........

[healey36]

Damn kids...

[robert.]

Liassez les bons temps rouler.