Midwestern Model Works Redux

Discuss All Facets of 2-Rail, 1/48 Scale, Model Railroading
Chris Webster
Posts: 921
Joined: Mon May 25, 2015 8:25 pm

Re: Midwestern Model Works Redux

Postby Chris Webster » Wed Oct 13, 2021 9:28 am

E7 wrote:That image TOTALLY contradicts what has been said on OGR. NONE of the posts I saw mentioned anything about ANY of those diesel bodies sitting there, and at least one of which, looks to be painted.

I wish someone had posted a closeup of the four shells on the bottom shelf. Those appear to me to be (from left to right) a SD45-2, a Erie Lackawanna SDP45, SD45T-2, and a SD45X. I'm curious whether they are MMW produced or old shells that were made by OMI and Oriental Limited. (Before he became an importer, Erik used to have OMI shells on his March Meet table.)

E7 wrote:Looking at the images from out at Indy, I see one thing that I might be concerned about if I were buying one of these models. That would be the clearance between the fuel tank and the rails. Seems awfully close!

That's prototypical, especially on units that had oversized fuel tanks, for example: HLCX #6216

up148
Posts: 4654
Joined: Sat Nov 01, 2008 11:52 am

Re: Midwestern Model Works Redux

Postby up148 » Wed Oct 13, 2021 9:43 am

bob turner wrote:Here is Hot Water:

If he is referring to that "Model Train Journal" forum,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,just my opinion but, I wouldn't participate on that screwball forum

A couple posters want in here - we need a procedure to get them on board. I hate to burden Butch . . .

Thinking about Hot - maybe we should send him to the lounge and let him duke it out. Good place for ornery guys.



Yeah, I was going to disagree with him and tell him if he stayed out of the "Club Car Lounge" forum he would avoid 90% of the BS, but figured if I said anything positive about MTJ, it might paint a bullseye on my back or get me booted.

I have no problem contacting the moderator with contact info of anyone who wants to join MTJ and actually get some satisfaction out of doing it. Moderator explained he gets tons of bots trying to join daily, so it's an overwhelming task to wade through them.

I thought I would try to PM Lee, Bob and Santiago to get their contact info and send it along to the moderator, who seems to jump on additions pretty quickly. Definitely would like to add to our group and Santiago's energy could be contagious.

bob turner
Posts: 13528
Joined: Sat Jan 13, 2007 7:57 pm

Re: Midwestern Model Works Redux

Postby bob turner » Wed Oct 13, 2021 11:39 am

Thanks. They will be good additions.

Not sure of Hot's politics, but a guess would be he would be right at home in the Lounge. Even a hint at politics or vaccine would spell instant death for that NK thread, and we cannot let it die before George and VGN tell us that those SD40s are the beginning of true production, not modified Overland, and that shipment begins when Covid goes away.

Chris Webster
Posts: 921
Joined: Mon May 25, 2015 8:25 pm

Re: Midwestern Model Works Redux

Postby Chris Webster » Wed Oct 13, 2021 12:07 pm

There is an old project management rule that says "High Quality, Inexpensive, On-time: Pick any Two."

MMW has chosen high-quality and inexpensive. Posters don't realize that MMW models are inexpensive. MMW could have contracted with model makers in the US and UK and ended up with the same quality models but those models would have cost $50k (or more) each. Instead, MMW chose inexpensive.

Having picked high-quality and inexpensive, it was inevitable that MMW's products would not be finished on time!

E7
Posts: 8392
Joined: Wed Dec 12, 2007 1:35 am

Re: Midwestern Model Works Redux

Postby E7 » Wed Oct 13, 2021 12:36 pm

Chris Webster wrote:That's prototypical, especially on units that had oversized fuel tanks, for example: HLCX #6216


I realize that, but the PROTOTYPE doesn't short out if the tank would happen to contact the rails, but this is a model Sometimes prototypical isn't feasible. The dynamics are totally different.

Rich

bob turner
Posts: 13528
Joined: Sat Jan 13, 2007 7:57 pm

Re: Midwestern Model Works Redux

Postby bob turner » Wed Oct 13, 2021 12:58 pm

Back to the inevitability of non-timely delivery:

Seems to me there is a question of delivery - will they be delivered at all? At any time?

We skeptics think Erik is well-meaning, and will not ever deliver.

User avatar
sarge
Posts: 5138
Joined: Thu Apr 02, 2009 2:21 pm
Location: Dungfield Manor

Re: Midwestern Model Works Redux

Postby sarge » Wed Oct 13, 2021 1:03 pm

Chris Webster wrote:I wish someone had posted a closeup of the four shells on the bottom shelf. Those appear to me to be (from left to right) a SD45-2, a Erie Lackawanna SDP45, SD45T-2, and a SD45X. I'm curious whether they are MMW produced or old shells that were made by OMI and Oriental Limited. (Before he became an importer, Erik used to have OMI shells on his March Meet table.)


Chris

I believe those are the shells we published in the Jul/Aug 2017 OST pp42-43, an ATSF SD45, SP SDP45, SP SD40T-2, and EL SD45-2. Closeups are in that issue.

E7
Posts: 8392
Joined: Wed Dec 12, 2007 1:35 am

Re: Midwestern Model Works Redux

Postby E7 » Wed Oct 13, 2021 4:54 pm

Chris Webster wrote:Having picked high-quality and inexpensive, it was inevitable that MMW's products would not be finished on time!

Could you please explain what is inexpensive?

$600 a pop bethgons?

User avatar
ScaleCraft
Posts: 6693
Joined: Thu Jan 26, 2012 10:15 pm

Re: Midwestern Model Works Redux

Postby ScaleCraft » Wed Oct 13, 2021 5:04 pm

E7 wrote:
Chris Webster wrote:Having picked high-quality and inexpensive, it was inevitable that MMW's products would not be finished on time!

Could you please explain what is inexpensive?

$600 a pop bethgons?


From the website:
Pricing:

Standard model from this project – As of Feb 15, the “Early Bird Special” pricing has expired. Those who reserved on, or prior to, Feb. 15 will be locked in at the $2,800 per standard model price. Any further reservations from this point forward will be priced at $2,900 per model reserved.

Premium model (SD40 and SD40-2 only) – As of Feb 15, the “Early Bird Special” pricing for the premium model has also expired. Those who reserved on, or prior to, Feb. 15 will be locked in at the $4,200 per premium model price. Any further reservations from this point forward will be priced at $4,400 per model reserved.

So, for substantially more than I paid for my Jag, I could have a Premium Vaporware SD-40.
I suppose that is "cheap". Not me.
And that's a "reservation". He gets 100 orders.....bad thing is, all this time, expenses, finding new sources.....money goes to zero.
Dave....gone by invitation

E7
Posts: 8392
Joined: Wed Dec 12, 2007 1:35 am

Re: Midwestern Model Works Redux

Postby E7 » Wed Oct 13, 2021 5:31 pm

Dave, We could always sign up for the 20 "heritage units! :mrgreen:

User avatar
sarge
Posts: 5138
Joined: Thu Apr 02, 2009 2:21 pm
Location: Dungfield Manor

Re: Midwestern Model Works Redux

Postby sarge » Wed Oct 13, 2021 5:56 pm

Chris Webster wrote:There is an old project management rule that says "High Quality, Inexpensive, On-time: Pick any Two."

MMW has chosen high-quality and inexpensive. Posters don't realize that MMW models are inexpensive. MMW could have contracted with model makers in the US and UK and ended up with the same quality models but those models would have cost $50k (or more) each. Instead, MMW chose inexpensive.

Having picked high-quality and inexpensive, it was inevitable that MMW's products would not be finished on time!


Chris, I don’t know where you got that bit of mythology from, but they aren’t at all inexpensive. $4500 for the ones with a motor shrouded in a couple castings and wheel gearboxes the shape of traction motors hardly sounds inexpensive to me, I fear. As to your assertion they would cost $50k to make in the US or UK, I can safely assert that, while the US is a bit defeatist about whether they can make anything anymore, they could certainly be done in the UK. A look at DJH’ website shows full-sized steam offered ready to run and made in Britain, at somewhere near 3500 quid, so I suspect the $50,000 number to be pure mythology and perhaps a bit of puffing if Erik is saying that in his advertising to justify his price as “inexpensive”.

Lou at CLW is doing a few RTR projects, to be fair to the Yanks, and nowhere near $50k a pop and with comparable drives, I’d bet.

Meanwhile, entire model ranges are actually made in the UK, from Peco trackwork through well over a hundred different injection moulded O Scale wagon kits from the likes of Slaters, God knows how many different state-of-the-art loco and stock kits in brass, DJH locos in kit and RTR, all domestic and all O Scale. If they can do it, the Americans could do it if they’d stop making excuses and feeling sorry for themselves, and Lou for one is proving it.

Its perhaps beside the point, admittedly, but unless my eyes deceive me, I don’t see a 50 kilobuck pricetag for US manufacture (and anything less is good value for money) as is being asserted.

In fact, I fear I see an OMI or Oriental version as where the value for money really is at the moment; high-quality (especially the Oriental versions), under $2000, and they exist.

J. S. Bach
Posts: 5820
Joined: Wed May 16, 2007 9:30 pm

Re: Midwestern Model Works Redux

Postby J. S. Bach » Wed Oct 13, 2021 7:00 pm

up148 wrote:[ ...snip... Santiago's energy could be contagious.

Oh, how true!

J. S. Bach
Posts: 5820
Joined: Wed May 16, 2007 9:30 pm

Re: Midwestern Model Works Redux

Postby J. S. Bach » Wed Oct 13, 2021 7:08 pm

bob turner wrote:Here is Hot Water:
If he is referring to that "Model Train Journal" forum,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,just my opinion but, I wouldn't participate on that screwball forum
A couple posters want in here - we need a procedure to get them on board. I hate to burden Butch . . .
Thinking about Hot - maybe we should send him to the lounge and let him duke it out. Good place for ornery guys.

I do not think that the Water has ever said anything good about anything! :mrgreen:

User avatar
Erik C Lindgren
Posts: 1307
Joined: Wed Apr 28, 2010 11:37 pm
Contact:

Re: Midwestern Model Works Redux

Postby Erik C Lindgren » Wed Oct 13, 2021 7:14 pm

I would to see Santiago post here. Maybe if I start again he will follow ?

I really don’t care to share my IP and content next door anymore.

E7
Posts: 8392
Joined: Wed Dec 12, 2007 1:35 am

Re: Midwestern Model Works Redux

Postby E7 » Thu Oct 14, 2021 8:06 pm

J. S. Bach wrote:I do not think that the Water has ever said anything good
about anything! :mrgreen:


He's almost as GRUMPY as I am! :shock: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


Return to “O-Gauge, 2-Rail, Model Railroading”

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Bing [Bot] and 14 guests