Midwestern Model Works Redux

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Re: Midwestern Model Works Redux

Postby up148 » Sun Aug 08, 2021 9:03 am

bob turner wrote:I almost hate to be the one breaking the recent silence - but I note that once again I have pissed off the MMW proponents. I gently suggested that shipping delays were irrelevant if you have no models to ship. I was attacked rapidly for my negativity and overall despicable character.
I assume that means there is a crate of MMW product sitting on a dock somewhere in the Orient, and they cannot find a container. So, folks, as soon as MMW finds that elusive container, deliveries to their long-patient customers will presumably begin.
Yippee!



Pretty hard to have a civil discussion/conversation with zealots. I hope their zealousness isn't misplaced. I know nothing about this model or builder except what I read.

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Re: Midwestern Model Works Redux

Postby robert. » Sun Aug 08, 2021 10:24 am

bob turner wrote:I almost hate to be the one breaking the recent silence - but I note that once again I have pissed off the MMW proponents. I gently suggested that shipping delays were irrelevant if you have no models to ship. I was attacked rapidly for my negativity and overall despicable character.
I assume that means there is a crate of MMW product sitting on a dock somewhere in the Orient, and they cannot find a container. So, folks, as soon as MMW finds that elusive container, deliveries to their long-patient customers will presumably begin.
Yippee!

Shipping a container has gone through the roof. Nov of 2020 we received a container of cast iron urns from china. Ocean freight was at the time $6,000. It is now $22,000 ( We will not have this product line for 2022). If you have a small number of items in your container. It becomes real hard to disperse your shipping cost. f a guy is bringing in 250 he may be able to eat this. I wish him luck. I know from first hand experience global business is changing. 2 of our containers from India are cancelled and deposits have been refunded. we were lucky to receive a refund. Some not so lucky.
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Re: Midwestern Model Works Redux

Postby Rufus T. Firefly » Sun Aug 08, 2021 10:42 am

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Re: Midwestern Model Works Redux

Postby bob turner » Sun Aug 08, 2021 12:00 pm

The fact that one of the proponents jumped me when I suggested that there was nothing to ship indicates that he believes there indeed is a pallet of products delayed by shipping problems.
Otherwise, he would be forced to agree with me.

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Re: Midwestern Model Works Redux

Postby ScaleCraft » Sun Aug 08, 2021 12:06 pm

bob turner wrote:Otherwise, he would be forced to agree with me.


Why?

When these morons get their blinders screwed down so tight their eyes bug out, they can see nothing outside of their narrow field of concentration.
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Re: Midwestern Model Works Redux

Postby Rufus T. Firefly » Sun Aug 08, 2021 1:03 pm

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Re: Midwestern Model Works Redux

Postby Chris Webster » Sun Aug 08, 2021 1:25 pm

bob turner wrote:I assume that means there is a crate of MMW product sitting on a dock somewhere in the Orient, and they cannot find a container. So, folks, as soon as MMW finds that elusive container, deliveries to their long-patient customers will presumably begin.
Yippee!

I don't see how MMW would need a whole container to ship their shells since (if I'm recalling correctly) the mechanisms were supposed to be made by Erik in the USA.

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Re: Midwestern Model Works Redux

Postby Chris Webster » Sun Aug 08, 2021 1:57 pm

up148 wrote:Pretty hard to have a civil discussion/conversation with zealots. I hope their zealousness isn't misplaced. I know nothing about this model or builder except what I read.

I read the thread over on NK in which Bob was attacked. It is rather fascinating (in the way that train wrecks are fascinating!) The customers who are still awaiting their models are acting a lot like how victims of affinity fraud act. The customers are obviously invested financially, but they have also become quite emotionally invested as well -- they keep trying to work things out with the manufacturer instead of demanding their money back or pursuing legal remedies. When other posters point out that things aren't right, the customers immediately attack the other posters and point out that they're not customers, they don't know what they're talking about, etc.

I do not have any reason to believe that MMW is a scam. However, seeing how emotionally invested MMW's customers are in these models gives me a new appreciation for Madoff's victims and how emotionally invested they must have been after receiving their fraudulent account statements showing they were worth millions!

Years ago -- probably a decade ago, actually -- I considered putting down a deposit on a MMW diesel or two, but then I decided against it because all of my other models were "good enough" pieces that I am capable of working on and maintaining myself. Right now I'm glad that I passed on the MMW diesels, but I'll probably regret my decision when the models finally do turn up.

Hmm. I wonder how many of the MMW models will ultimately end up being delivered to their buyers' estates?

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Re: Midwestern Model Works Redux

Postby E7 » Sun Aug 08, 2021 2:15 pm

This is a copy of one Jon Marcos post from the OGR forum:

"Sorry to sound uncharitable - its been a **** of a year - and I am sure Midwestern have had their problems like everyone else.

But updating a web page and a little honesty with people who are actually funding the project is not too much to expect.

He has a sizeable sum of money from me and I am sure from others. That gives him an obligation. He is uncommunicative and uncooperative. I advise anyone to think very carefully before offering him any more cash. No wonder US O scale brass is in decline. The importers who will survive combine regular product, superb quality and superb communication, for example a well-known importer of high-level freight cars. JM"

Pretty much lays things out. I truly hope the folks involved in this ultimately get satisfaction, but if I were involved, I would be concerned.

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Re: Midwestern Model Works Redux

Postby Rufus T. Firefly » Sun Aug 08, 2021 2:34 pm

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Re: Midwestern Model Works Redux

Postby bob turner » Sun Aug 08, 2021 2:41 pm

Everybody knows I am a collector of doorstops, and build my own. I am fascinated by the psychology surrounding this endeavor, but am not actually invested except to the extent that I hope O Scale actually gets such fine and accurate models.

There are those who would silence me as having no right to comment. There have always been folks who wish to silence diverging opinions. And in any case I certainly do not have accurate information.

I do hope, for their sake, that finished models are packaged and awaiting shipment in scarce containers.

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Re: Midwestern Model Works Redux

Postby E7 » Sun Aug 08, 2021 5:01 pm

bob turner wrote:Everybody knows I am a collector of doorstops, and build my own. I am fascinated by the psychology surrounding this endeavor, but am not actually invested except to the extent that I hope O Scale actually gets such fine and accurate models.


I have NO ill wishes toward any of the any of the prospective buyers. I don't know any of them personally, and I have no financial stake in the outcome.

bob turner wrote:There are those who would silence me as having no right to comment. There have always been folks who wish to silence diverging opinions. And in any case I certainly do not have accurate information.


By posting on a public forum one invites commentary from others.

bob turner wrote:I do hope, for their sake, that finished models are packaged and awaiting shipment in scarce containers.


The reality is: Dare to gamble, dare to lose, regardless of what any of us say/think.

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Re: Midwestern Model Works Redux

Postby up148 » Mon Aug 09, 2021 9:32 am

I've heard from two builders that importing (even building a product) is much different now since covid arrived. One, 3rd Rail, seems to be able to get their models on a pretty regularly basis and besides the recent GP-7/9's, they have a 2nd run of F units that is either at the dock or arriving within days. Scott even emailed a link so you can follow the ships progress from port to port. Certainly makes you question the motives and actions of MMW.

Chris, I think you nailed it. I remember feeling that way with a certain high dollar model I waited 7 years to get. At that point, you want to believe so badly that you didn't get screwed, so you try to keep your spirits up and counterattack anyone with more common sense. But, I never ordered another model from that importer and would never order from any importer who want me to finance their project. Sadly, except for 3rd Rail, that is everyone who is still in the game today.

Really miss the days of a $300 good faith deposit and nothing else due until the product was ready to ship to the buyer. But, it's irrelevant, I'm not buying new any more and little else.

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Re: Midwestern Model Works Redux

Postby Rufus T. Firefly » Mon Aug 09, 2021 9:43 am

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Re: Midwestern Model Works Redux

Postby bob turner » Sun Oct 10, 2021 3:20 pm

Here is the latest. Note that none of the sycophants have chimed in to berate the disgruntled and/or curious. At least as of Sunday 2PM.

https://ogrforum.ogaugerr.com/topic/mid ... 3971788256


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