THE CARAVAN OF CRAP

[MurphOnMillerAve]

I still find the use of the word "Crap" in the title of this thread to be unfortunate. That is why I have participated very little in this discussion, not wanting to be particularly associated with something that refers to these people as "crap."
Frankly,
Murph

[rogruth]

I still find the use of the word "Crap" in the title of this thread to be unfortunate. That is why I have participated very little in this discussion, not wanting to be particularly associated with something that refers to these people as "crap."
Frankly,
Murph

Good point, Murph.

[Roy]

Post deleted by me.

Roy

[HONDO74]

I still find the use of the word "Crap" in the title of this thread to be unfortunate. That is why I have participated very little in this discussion, not wanting to be particularly associated with something that refers to these people as "crap."
Frankly,
Murph

Murph, If you go back and read the 1st post. It's not calling the people crap. It's asking where do thousands of people marching together a thousand miles take care of business.

Threads can change direction several times from how they started.

[HONDO74]

I don't want to get anywhere close to censoriousness, but I agree with Murph that calling these people "crap" isn't nice. It's kicking people when they are down. Do you really mean to do that, Hondo?

Roy, get your head out of the weed patch. Go back and read the whole thread and point out where any post including mine has ever refereed to the people as (CRAP)

The first post........
SOME VERY INTERESTING POINTS MADE HERE!
Subject: THE CARAVAN OF CRAP
... asking some obvious questions:

The Hondurans in the caravan, the 7,000 people walking north to America, where do they go to the bathroom And eat and sleep and store their clothes?

And how is it that after a week on the road they are clean and their hair and clothes are well kept? How is any of this possible?

And why do these people, supposedly fleeing intolerable conditions in their homeland, carry little flags from their homeland and break into its national anthem when the TV cameras show up?

And speaking of which, for oppressed people, they all seem to be pretty well fed, well groomed and well dressed. Their hair is neat and newly cut, their clothes are clean and in good repair, and they are built like people who have had ample nutrition all their lives, being well developed and, many of them, overweight.

And none of them look dirty or unkempt, like they had been sleeping on the ground for the last week.

There’s just nothing in any of this that makes sense.

Supposedly, these several thousand people spontaneously decided to leave Honduras, walking north in a group, hoping to trek the length of gang-plagued Mexico and present themselves as refugees and prospective Democrats at the American border.

Which, again, makes no sense whatsoever, and leaves a lot of big questions unanswered, and ignored by the press. Such as, who organized this? Who is paying for it? How have they covered 500 miles in a week?

Seriously. Any number of American “reporters” have walked beside a sympathetic walker and talked about how this particular woman and her children had trekked half a thousand miles over the last week or so.

That’s 71 miles a day.

The best soldiers through history have been able to march 25 miles a day.

How have 7,000 people been fed and watered? And how have they gone to the bathroom? If the average person across the world produces about a pound of solid waste a day, that means that these folks are somehow disposing of more than three tons of feces each day.

That’s a heck of a lot of crap, even for a Central American roadway.

Provisioning such an army of people – the equivalent of 10 combat battalions in most of the world’s militaries – is a large task. Transporting and distributing the food and water necessary to keep those people moving is a massive chore which the press says nothing about.

The entire enterprise, as a spontaneous ad hoc event, is implausible.

As an orchestrated international attempt to influence an American election, it starts to make sense, and ought to alarm us.
Unless it’s only Russians we don’t want screwing with our democracy.

Unfortunately, none of this has made the evening news. It’s almost as if the press, in whatever scheme is afoot, gladly accepts its role as propagandists to the American people.

Every story is sympathetic, as if an attempt to enlist viewers and readers in this caravan and the politics it symbolizes.
And so the story is not about an orchestrated attempt to manipulate electoral opinion and violate the borders and laws of the United States, it is about compassion and Trump and xenophobia and racism. It is the October surprise, it is the Blue Wave.

And it is all NONSENSE.

Because all of these people, if legitimate, have the ability to apply for American asylum in their own country – as do the residents of most nations of the world. We have consulates and embassies for a reason, and this is one of those reasons.

We also have laws and an oath of office for a reason.

Laws, so that “we the people” through our elected representatives clearly and systematically govern our society. Law is the means by which the people express and exercise their sovereignty. Disobedience to law is disobedience to the will of the people, it is the subverting of their sovereignty and franchise.

Breaking the law is denying you the vote. Your vote elects representatives – lets you pick the country’s direction – and the representatives write the law. If that law is ignored, your representation becomes meaningless. You get screwed.

And the oath of office?

Members of Congress – even Democrats – swear an oath to “bear true faith and allegiance” to the Constitution, which establishes our system of laws and specifically charges the Congress with making the rules of naturalization and immigration.

Who comes across the border and under what conditions they can stay is a constitutional responsibility of the Congress. That is to be determined by a congressional vote, not by a Honduran mob.

Failure to insist on that – even for Democrats – is a violation of your congressman’s oath of office.

So there is not a Democrat or Republican response to this traveling army of invaders – there is only an American response.

And that is: Turn around and go home. Because the law of the United States does not allow a mass entry like this. The law does not declare the borders open.

If Democrats and progressives don’t like that, they can try to change the law. If America’s progressives want open borders and believe all the world’s people have a right to live in the United States – as they say they do – then they should adjust immigration law accordingly.

But until then, if they are to keep their oaths of office, they must stand for the law and the border, and they must tell their surrogates to turn around and go home.

Because this caravan is nothing more than a bunch of political s--t.

Bob Lonsberry © 2018

[MurphOnMillerAve]

Hhhmmmm, I wonder if the title was singular in its intention, or deliberately open to a broader, yet particular intention. Was my interpretation instigated/ invited by the title's wording? Hhhmmmmm. I have to wonder. But I am certain somebody here of superior intellect to mine will straighten me out in this regard.

Yet, my interpretation stands. It seemed to me the title was unfortunate. Now, how 'bout that.

In fact, let me ask, are you asserting the whole intention of the thread and it's subsequent conversation were intended to be about bowel movements aplenty??!!!

Doubt it.

[HONDO74]

Hhhmmmm, I wonder if the title was singular in its intention, or deliberately open to a broader, yet particular intention. Was my interpretation instigated/ invited by the title's wording? Hhhmmmmm. I have to wonder. But I am certain somebody here of superior intellect to mine will straighten me out in this regard.

Yet, my interpretation stands. It seemed to me the title was unfortunate. Now, how 'bout that.

In fact, let me ask, are you asserting the whole intention of the thread and it's subsequent conversation were intended to be about bowel movements aplenty??!!!

Doubt it.

The title of the thread is the title of the article that E7 posted. I have no idea why the person titled it that way.
There is nothing in the article that refers to the people as crap.

However I do take exception to people accusing me of calling the people CRAP and I will respond accordingly.

[MurphOnMillerAve]

Hhhmmmm, I wonder if the title was singular in its intention, or deliberately open to a broader, yet particular intention. Was my interpretation instigated/ invited by the title's wording? Hhhmmmmm. I have to wonder. But I am certain somebody here of superior intellect to mine will straighten me out in this regard.

Yet, my interpretation stands. It seemed to me the title was unfortunate. Now, how 'bout that.

In fact, let me ask, are you asserting the whole intention of the thread and it's subsequent conversation were intended to be about bowel movements aplenty??!!!

Doubt it.

The title of the thread is the title of the article that E7 posted. I have no idea why the person titled it that way.
There is nothing in the article that refers to the people as crap.

However I do take exception to people accusing me of calling the people CRAP and I will respond accordingly.

In my reply, I wasn't addressing you. Somebody else did. Roy did. I was well aware the original poster was E7, because I read it. In fact, I was surprised to see you addressed in the mix.

Perhaps, one could interpret my use of "you" as being the plural-you.

[Roy]

Aw, shit. Sorry, Hondo.

[HONDO74]

Murph
I wasn't referring to you accusing me. It's Roy that is saying it.

Using CRAP in the title is unfortunate. It can be interpreted as one wants to.

[MurphOnMillerAve]

Murph
I wasn't referring to you accusing me. It's Roy that is saying it.

Using CRAP in the title is unfortunate. It can be interpreted as one wants to.

OK.

[rogruth]

I think there are a lot of valid points in the original article.
By the way, where are all of these people now and what are they doing?