Seen in Print

[rogruth]

Thanks. I thought the reference was to the thousand hands dance. My error.

[webenda]

A lot of hostility toward men, there. Is that a religion ?

I missed something i guess. I will watch again.

I watched it again. Now where is/was the hostility toward men?

The dance I gave a link to only depicts the beauty of Kali, not her blood lust.

Want a battle dance? How about a dance depicting Kali doing battle with the Buffalo Demon, Raktabij,
https://youtu.be/Njl8iiudFN0

[rogruth]

OK. Men on one side women on the other.
Why does Kali have blue skin?
Yeah, I know I could look for this but Wayne will find out much faster than I.

[webenda]

OK. Men on one side women on the other.
Why does Kali have blue skin?
Yeah, I know I could look for this but Wayne will find out much faster than I.

I don't have to look it up Roger, doesn't everybody know already?

Kali is a Hindu religious character. Religious leaders make their gods be what they want them to be. Come to think about it, so do most of the people I meet.

The name Kali first appears in the Atharva Veda, a collection of hymns and mantras published between 1200 BCE and 1000 BCE. However, she is not a goddess but rather a fierce black tongue, one of seven belonging to Agni, the god of fire.

Around 600 CE she is reinvented when Shiva asks his wife Parvati to defeat the demon Daruka, whom only a female can kill. Parvati merges with Shiva, reappears as Kali and does the deed, but at a terrible cost; her bloodlust becomes uncontrollable, only calming when Shiva intervenes. At this time Kali is terrible – a skeletal and frightening old woman who is thin and ugly, colored black.

In the seventeenth century, Kali received a makeover from the Tantric Bengali poets in northwest India. No longer a terrifying red-eyed crone, she began to be depicted as voluptuous, motherly, young and beautiful, with a gentle smile, attractive ornaments, and pleasing blue* complexion. While she continued to brandish weaponry and severed heads, two of her right hands now made soothing gestures - the mudras of fearlessness and blessing.

Kali's makeover did not end in seventeenth-century India. In the 20th and 21st centuries, many western feminists adopted Kali as a mascot of female empowerment or politicized her as a symbol of the supposed former matriarchal golden age that came before our present state of patriarchal control. New Age Tantric practitioners adapt her obvious sexual manifestations as a therapeutic tool.

Hollywood continues to depict Kali as evil, as seen in this Sinbad-Battles-Kalil scene: https://youtu.be/ROssbvtE41U

[webenda]

*Blue in Hinduism

The Creator has given the maximum of blue to nature (i.e.) the sky, the oceans, the rivers and the lakes. A pleasing color.

The deity who has the qualities of bravery, manliness, determination, the ability to deal with difficult situations, of stable mind and depth of character is represented as blue colored. Lord Rama and Krishna spent their life protecting humanity and destroying evil, hence they are colored blue.

Kali protects us from demons, so was made blue in her recreation by the poets of Tantric Bengali.

We should all feel safer now.

[rogruth]

Wayne,
Thank you.
I guess I'm just not up on eastern religious characters.
Just too many for this old man to keep up with.

[J. S. Bach]

Roger, you must feel real safe, you are wearing a BLUE shirt.

[robert.]

"Come to think about it, so do most of the people i meet " We could debate the looks of a Jewish carpenter for centuries.

[webenda]

Wayne,
Thank you.
I guess I'm just not up on eastern religious characters.
Just too many for this old man to keep up with.

I wasn't up on Kali either Roger, until Rufus posted Kali Barbi.
Then I just had to find out who Kali was. Now I know.

Now, about being blue, would you like to be turned blue, like the Tantric Bengali poets did to Kali?

[webenda]

[MurphOnMillerAve]

I remember hearing, some time back, that a boy's birth was celebrated with the color blue because males often have their heads-in-the-clouds, with imagination and creative efforts as an essential part of life for males. On the other-hand, girls were celebrated with pink because females were more associated with the Earth, with crops and creating life. Perhaps, that originates from the "Hunter-gatherer" concept regarding human origins. Even Eve (now that I think of it) was said to have involved herself with harvesting (gathering) a harvestable item from a tree !)

[webenda]

I remember hearing, some time back, that a boy's birth was celebrated with the color blue because males often have their heads-in-the-clouds, with imagination and creative efforts as an essential part of life for males. On the other-hand, girls were celebrated with pink because females were more associated with the Earth, with crops and creating life. Perhaps, that originates from the "Hunter-gatherer" concept regarding human origins. Even Eve (now that I think of it) was said to have involved herself with harvesting (gathering) a harvestable item from a tree !)

Well!

That is wrong.

The Smithsonian Institution, says, "The generally accepted rule is pink for the boys, and blue for the girls. The reason is that pink, being a more decided and stronger color, is more suitable for the boy, while blue, which is more delicate and dainty, is prettier for the girl."

In 1927, Time magazine printed a chart showing sex-appropriate colors for girls and boys according to leading U.S. stores. In Boston, Filene’s told parents to dress boys in pink. So did Best & Co. in New York City, Halle’s in Cleveland and Marshall Field in Chicago.

As usual, humans got confused and did it backward. If "survival of the fittest" theory were true, we would not be here to have these fun arguments.

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/arts-cul ... vyEbrWK.99

[MurphOnMillerAve]

Who's going to inform Western Civilization of your pronouncement ?

[robert.]

Wayne,
Thank you.
I guess I'm just not up on eastern religious characters.
Just too many for this old man to keep up with.

I wasn't up on Kali either Roger, until Rufus posted Kali Barbi.
Then I just had to find out who Kali was. Now I know.

Now, about being blue, would you like to be turned blue, like the Tantric Bengali poets did to Kali?

could it be?

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[rogruth]

I've had that accusation made before but I only wore bow ties with a tux and they were black.
Unless it was white tie and tails.

Oh, the beard and hair color is close to what my wifes hair color was.